Posts by flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

GILES- Dude, look . I usually won't go back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth like this when someone confronts me on my stand on certain issues. Life is too short. But I feel it's important to get my point across here. You're giving these JW's in the picture WAY too much benefit of the doubt. It's a fairly high percentage of a chance that these JW's were just ignoring this man, based on typical WT indoctrination of how " worldly " people are viewed. First of all, IF ( and that's a stretch saying even that ) , IF these JW's had ANY contact with this homeless man I can bet my bottom dollar that it was only to preach at him or to him. They only have one marketing angle, and that's to recruit prospective members angle for even sniffing at this guy.

Also, you asked me 5 questions to answer . My friend, I'm not your pupil attending a class in school where I have to answer your hypothetical questions. Jeez. Are you a teacher or something ? In one of your earlier posts you asked me if I practice what I preach regarding homeless people.

OK, at the risk of patting myself on the back, I'm going to pat myself on the back and share an experience. A pat on the back for something well done regarding real life and the real world was never given to us in the JW cult. Least of all from my JW long time elder dad.

Yesterday morning after finishing work on an early morning office job, I came down the stairs to find a homeless man sitting on a bench near the sidewalk ( found out he was about 49 yrs.old ) Had his bags and was playing a guitar. Which I'm quite into doing as well. I sat there on the bench with him making small talk asked him what song he was playing . He said he was learning Duran Duran's " Come Undone " . I said " I know that song ! I don't know the chords but some of the words. " I said, " Why don't you play it and I'll sing along ? " A big smile came onto his face. So he played and sang, and I helped with background vocals and it was a blast ! We had a great time ! AS EQUALS. Sharing common ground. I wasn't over him, he wasn't over me. Then I asked him after he played a couple songs if I could play him a couple of my songs on his guitar. He said " yeah, great ! " So I did and he loved it .

Here's a homeless man who probably hasn't received much in the way of positive vibes or attention in awhile. ( I'm assuming that, don't jump on me- I don't know for sure ) however he said in about 20 minutes he had to go to the county building for a meetup with a representative to help him. He didn't have a pick to strum his guitar so I gave him one from my truck. It was warm that day, so I told him I'd run around the corner to the store and get him a big Gatorade drink . I got $ 20.00 extra to give him as he seemed like a genuinely deserving, really nice guy. He was there when I got back and thanked me profusely, and I told him it was really nice to meet him. We shook hands, gave each other a half man hug, and I said " hope to see you again sometime ! " We both told each other we enjoyed playing music together, and he left then I left.

It's one thing to talk the talk, it's entirely different to walk the walk. Here's a guy who even though he remains homeless will perhaps get his faith in mankind bolstered up, even if just for that one moment, or one day- it was worth the 20 or so minutes we spent together. None of us ever know WHO we can help in a real, positive way. But we have to look for those opportunities to help. Take the blinders off of our eyes and see the circumstances of people with REALITY. Giving them WT or Awakes doesn't do jack shit for them is my main point. And THAT is what the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not get about helping people with what they really need. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

GILES - We are not " falling prey " to discrimination as you say. I don't hold every single JW accountable for what their WT leaders do. Some who are raised up in it from birth have no choice if they are minor children in order to live, eat, and have shelter over their heads- have to capitulate to their JW parents wishes. I get that, I lived it.

I don't have hatred individually towards JW's. I have anger and resentment, righteous indignation at the lack of justice within the JW organization, and I'd be remiss to not state a travesty of justice when I see it. You state that the picture of JW's standing there ignoring a homeless man within a few feet of them is no big deal. I strongly disagree !

It's an evidence of the JW and WT mantra that whatever THEY are doing ( in this case the preaching work ) is MUCH more important than assisting this homeless man. Let me ask you THIS question : If any of these JW's standing there had half a conscience, or just a shred of humanity, don't you think they'd either ( A ) Help this man to his feet, offer him coffee, assist him to walk to get a warm meal in a diner or ( B ) Leave his personal space or area to allow him to sleep and carry on with whatever HE wants to do. The JW's ARE invading his personal space , it's obvious. It's not ALWAYS about what the JW's want, it's not ALWAYS about them. It's also about what's best for the homeless man. What HE wants. Contrary to popular JW organizational opinion, the JW's are really a VERY small portion of this big universe in general. It's the way I see it . You beg to differ, that's fine too. We'll just agree to disagree. Have a good day yourself. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

DREARYWEATHER- You have your view and I have my view. Let's leave it at that. I don't feel you were disrespectful at all, just differing opinions, that's all.

GILES GRAY- Your statements, " What is of concern is the fact that the self same negative mechanisms that we ex-JWs hold against the Watchtower are overtly apparent in our own ex-JW community " .

Also this, " It's a very unfortunate fact that the attitudes of some of the ex-JW community are displaying a similar blanket discrimination as the Watchtower. "

Well my friend, there's a REASON, there's a REASON that some of us come out hard against the WT Society and hold them accountable for the sick, sick mind control tactics. Not only have WE experienced it, lived it- but our daughters, siblings, some other relatives still DISPLAY the same insensitive, inhumane personality traits that WT leaders instill and indoctrinate into most every JW man, woman, and child out there.

So it's not a " blanket " discrimination- it's just a FACT that every man, woman, and child, teenager, older person within the Jehovah's Witness organization have been, and CONTINUE to be victims of the Stockholm Syndrome where they identify with their captors - WT Society leaders and obey them about most every detail in their life. Including the ill treatment of non- JW's or in their twisted use of the word " Worldly " people.

I'm just being blatantly honest about the FACT that ALL Jehovah's Witnesses whether they care to admit it- or not. Are ALL mind controlled slaves, and that does NOT let them off the hook for accountability for their own actions. It helps us to UNDERSTAND those loutish actions, but doesn't eliminate the individual responsibility they have to break free of the cult mind control that WT leaders have dominated them with in their brains. And it puts even MORE accountability on WT leaders in slyly inculcating these twisted, inhumane personality traits into each JW body that sits at the mind numbing indoctrination sessions blaring out over microphones how to think, live, and feel that each JW is a " people for special possession " , a " privileged people ", that somehow they are entitled to more of " God's protection " than a homeless man on the street , because why ? " Jehovah has touched their heart's with the 'truth ' and not worldly people or the homeless man. "

Which is all just BS. JW's are trained to look at themselves as entitled, elite, and " privileged ". Just a filtering down of the same BS attitude that the Governing Body has of itself flows right through into most every JW . It' s sad, disgusting, and typical of mind control cults. And it's one reason I will always continue to call the WT Society and JW's a criminal organization.If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and shits like a duck, it's most probably a duck. It falls on us who have escaped out of the cult to not bury are heads in the sand about just how dangerous a mind control cult it is. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

DREARYWEATHER- Your argument doesn't hold much validity. You state that " I learned a valuable lesson from Ray Franz from Crisis of Conscience. He said that while the Governing Body was collectively wrong on many points, he greatly esteemed and admired Lyman Swingle, the GB member. Lyman was a very good man. "

OK fine, I agree Lyman was a good man. I was good friends with the former board member Farkel ( now deceased ) who at one time dated Lyman Swingle's daughter and he said the same thing " Lyman Swingle was a good man. "

Still, that DOES NOT excuse the majority of the WT Society Governing Body's horrific child abuse policies, no blood transfusion policies costing thousands of JW's their life, the shunning of families through disfellowshipping, and deceiving JW's into thinking any day now the shoes gonna drop and the end of the world's coming at Armageddon,another lie to keep them in fear.

If you asked Ray Franz if he felt all the other Governing Body members that kicked him out of the organization were " good men " - I bet he'd beg to differ. For the most part my comments about Jehovah's Witnesses not being concerned for non-JW's or " worldly " people was and is TOTALLY accurate. Just look at how the WT Society is only concerned about JW's and their welfare when natural disasters occur. WT leaders couldn't give a rat's ass about what happens to non-JW's or " worldly " people in disasters. The way they have responded to these disasters in the past PROVES this.

I agree there are the individual , rare cases of JW's like Lyman Swingle who treat other non-JW's fairly, but JW's like him were and are in the minority. They are self serving mind controlled cult members who only look out for their own people who are baptized and " approved " by the WT Society. 90 % to 95 % of the time.

How do I know ? I lived it, breathed it, experienced the hypocrisy from birth until age 44 when I finally extricated myself from and escaped this selfish JW organization. So don't even start to think you can tell me that the negative abuse I received in the JW cult was all in my mind. Because you're wrong. It was real, not only for me but thousands others who've exited this organization. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

Drearyweather stated " So the JW's should have slipped a 5 dollar or 10 dollar bill to the homeless guy. I hope everyone who gave that suggestion does that to each homeless guy you find on the road . "

As a matter of fact- yes - many times I have given $5 or $10 to homeless people I've met at stores, in parking lots, etc. Whether they're women, children or men. Or just a homeless guitarist playing on the sidewalk. And yes, I'm one of " those " who gave a suggestion to do that.

Most JW's are so oblivious to ANY person's needs who are outside their JW organization. The only way they feel they can " help " a so-called " worldly " person is to preach at them and get them to join into the JW cult so these people can be controlled and miserable like themselves. Misery loves company. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

jw
friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

Realistically these JW's are invading this homeless man's personal space. I mean for the love of Christ, give this guy some space so he can sleep in peace ! Or if the J-dubs insist on standing so close to his sleeping quarters, slip him a $ 10 bill into his jacket. They should at least do SOMETHING to show they aren't the insensitive louts we've all come to realize that they are. Or show some respect for the man's space and move somewhere else to do their proselytizing ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Were You A Gullible JW?

by minimus in

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i think every congregation has their group that sees everything as a sign that they are god’s chosen people.

if a witness didn’t go to a meeting and a storm came and destroyed their house and killed them, and only the kingdom hall was saved, that was a sign that we should be in jehovah’s house.

if russia persecuted jws , it’s proof we are living in the last days.

flipper

When I hear the word " gullible " it reminds me of this snippet from Bugs Bunny-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGD69Q9rz3M.

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Quick question to ALL members

by Tenacious in

as a witness, when you thought about jesus christ, what was the first thing that came to your mind?.

flipper

Even as a young child or teenager being raised up from birth as a Jehovah's Witness - I never could wrap my mind around THIS question : What sane or normal father ( God ) would ever put his own son ( Jesus ) to death and let him suffer ? And for what ? Millions of human beings are going to be " saved " or " redeemed " by this ? Ridiculous. So in a way as a JW kid, I felt sorry for Jesus having a father who would do that to him.

Like the words in the song Eleanor Rigby by the Beatles, " Eleanor Rigby, died in the church and was buried along with her name. Nobody came. Father McKenzie, wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave. NO ONE was saved. "

Basically I have the same view. Religion is used to give people false, illusionary

hopes that aren't true or real. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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