Posts by flipper

LV101- Thanks my friend, I appreciate the kind thoughts regarding my mom. She did really receive good care at the facility, better care than she would have received at her home from just her relatives who were trying to warehouse her. Best scenario would have been a full time nurse in her home to help her, but that decision was taken away from her by my elder dad. Even though she had the money to pay for such care.

When she died, I was the only one there by her side from my family holding her hand when she expired. All the rest of my JW family had driven back home only an hour away to where they live and chose not to be with her.

My thoughts on this ? They probably felt that because she didn't believe in the WT Society's concepts at the end, that she wouldn't receive the " privilege " ( in their warped minds ) of their presence at her death. I don't know WTF they thought, but in my opinion it was hateful and unnecessary . Many people need someone to care for them when they die. Especially our own mother's who brought us into the world. I don't think that was too much to ask for. But for my JW family, it was. Very sad. It's their loss. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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I'd like to find a single female bible lover to read the Bible with me.

by littleyohane in

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but i believe in jehovah god, and i read the bible every day.. i believe the bible is god's word.

and i pray to god every day.. it's somewhat off topic.

but i'd like to find a friend who loves the bible and want to read and find the truth of the bible together with me.. i live in japan and i am a japanese.

flipper

" I'd like to find a single female Bible lover to read the Bible with me. "

Ah come on now. You just want to fondle her Shulamite maiden date clusters, be honest.

Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

One more thing : silver lining to the cloud ? My mom stopped believing in the WT organization during her time spent in the care facility. Certainly understandable. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

GILES- Sins of omission are rampant within the Jehovah's Witness cult. Things JW's should have done which they won't do because of having real human compassion and humanity indoctrinated OUT of them through training. My own JW mom was a perfect example of being a victim from my own older family, i.e. my elder dad. She was warehoused needlessly the final 3 years of her life in a care facility when in fact, there was lots of money ( through her own inheritance from her father ) to let her receive care at her home. My dad refused to do that for her , naming my older brother as the executor, then dad refused to let her move back home . And guess who got all of mom's money ? Certainly not her for her needs.

So don't even talk to me about prejudging JW's or them watching out for the " ethical " needs of loved ones and family. I've seen enough crap go down for two lifetimes inside this evil cult. My last statement on the matter. The rest of our conversation will just be verbal masturbation between us. I'm not gonna change your views, and you're sure as hell not gonna change my views. Have a great day and a good life. I will continue to agree to disagree with you. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

GILES- Dude, look . I usually won't go back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth like this when someone confronts me on my stand on certain issues. Life is too short. But I feel it's important to get my point across here. You're giving these JW's in the picture WAY too much benefit of the doubt. It's a fairly high percentage of a chance that these JW's were just ignoring this man, based on typical WT indoctrination of how " worldly " people are viewed. First of all, IF ( and that's a stretch saying even that ) , IF these JW's had ANY contact with this homeless man I can bet my bottom dollar that it was only to preach at him or to him. They only have one marketing angle, and that's to recruit prospective members angle for even sniffing at this guy.

Also, you asked me 5 questions to answer . My friend, I'm not your pupil attending a class in school where I have to answer your hypothetical questions. Jeez. Are you a teacher or something ? In one of your earlier posts you asked me if I practice what I preach regarding homeless people.

OK, at the risk of patting myself on the back, I'm going to pat myself on the back and share an experience. A pat on the back for something well done regarding real life and the real world was never given to us in the JW cult. Least of all from my JW long time elder dad.

Yesterday morning after finishing work on an early morning office job, I came down the stairs to find a homeless man sitting on a bench near the sidewalk ( found out he was about 49 yrs.old ) Had his bags and was playing a guitar. Which I'm quite into doing as well. I sat there on the bench with him making small talk asked him what song he was playing . He said he was learning Duran Duran's " Come Undone " . I said " I know that song ! I don't know the chords but some of the words. " I said, " Why don't you play it and I'll sing along ? " A big smile came onto his face. So he played and sang, and I helped with background vocals and it was a blast ! We had a great time ! AS EQUALS. Sharing common ground. I wasn't over him, he wasn't over me. Then I asked him after he played a couple songs if I could play him a couple of my songs on his guitar. He said " yeah, great ! " So I did and he loved it .

Here's a homeless man who probably hasn't received much in the way of positive vibes or attention in awhile. ( I'm assuming that, don't jump on me- I don't know for sure ) however he said in about 20 minutes he had to go to the county building for a meetup with a representative to help him. He didn't have a pick to strum his guitar so I gave him one from my truck. It was warm that day, so I told him I'd run around the corner to the store and get him a big Gatorade drink . I got $ 20.00 extra to give him as he seemed like a genuinely deserving, really nice guy. He was there when I got back and thanked me profusely, and I told him it was really nice to meet him. We shook hands, gave each other a half man hug, and I said " hope to see you again sometime ! " We both told each other we enjoyed playing music together, and he left then I left.

It's one thing to talk the talk, it's entirely different to walk the walk. Here's a guy who even though he remains homeless will perhaps get his faith in mankind bolstered up, even if just for that one moment, or one day- it was worth the 20 or so minutes we spent together. None of us ever know WHO we can help in a real, positive way. But we have to look for those opportunities to help. Take the blinders off of our eyes and see the circumstances of people with REALITY. Giving them WT or Awakes doesn't do jack shit for them is my main point. And THAT is what the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses do not get about helping people with what they really need. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

GILES - We are not " falling prey " to discrimination as you say. I don't hold every single JW accountable for what their WT leaders do. Some who are raised up in it from birth have no choice if they are minor children in order to live, eat, and have shelter over their heads- have to capitulate to their JW parents wishes. I get that, I lived it.

I don't have hatred individually towards JW's. I have anger and resentment, righteous indignation at the lack of justice within the JW organization, and I'd be remiss to not state a travesty of justice when I see it. You state that the picture of JW's standing there ignoring a homeless man within a few feet of them is no big deal. I strongly disagree !

It's an evidence of the JW and WT mantra that whatever THEY are doing ( in this case the preaching work ) is MUCH more important than assisting this homeless man. Let me ask you THIS question : If any of these JW's standing there had half a conscience, or just a shred of humanity, don't you think they'd either ( A ) Help this man to his feet, offer him coffee, assist him to walk to get a warm meal in a diner or ( B ) Leave his personal space or area to allow him to sleep and carry on with whatever HE wants to do. The JW's ARE invading his personal space , it's obvious. It's not ALWAYS about what the JW's want, it's not ALWAYS about them. It's also about what's best for the homeless man. What HE wants. Contrary to popular JW organizational opinion, the JW's are really a VERY small portion of this big universe in general. It's the way I see it . You beg to differ, that's fine too. We'll just agree to disagree. Have a good day yourself. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

DREARYWEATHER- You have your view and I have my view. Let's leave it at that. I don't feel you were disrespectful at all, just differing opinions, that's all.

GILES GRAY- Your statements, " What is of concern is the fact that the self same negative mechanisms that we ex-JWs hold against the Watchtower are overtly apparent in our own ex-JW community " .

Also this, " It's a very unfortunate fact that the attitudes of some of the ex-JW community are displaying a similar blanket discrimination as the Watchtower. "

Well my friend, there's a REASON, there's a REASON that some of us come out hard against the WT Society and hold them accountable for the sick, sick mind control tactics. Not only have WE experienced it, lived it- but our daughters, siblings, some other relatives still DISPLAY the same insensitive, inhumane personality traits that WT leaders instill and indoctrinate into most every JW man, woman, and child out there.

So it's not a " blanket " discrimination- it's just a FACT that every man, woman, and child, teenager, older person within the Jehovah's Witness organization have been, and CONTINUE to be victims of the Stockholm Syndrome where they identify with their captors - WT Society leaders and obey them about most every detail in their life. Including the ill treatment of non- JW's or in their twisted use of the word " Worldly " people.

I'm just being blatantly honest about the FACT that ALL Jehovah's Witnesses whether they care to admit it- or not. Are ALL mind controlled slaves, and that does NOT let them off the hook for accountability for their own actions. It helps us to UNDERSTAND those loutish actions, but doesn't eliminate the individual responsibility they have to break free of the cult mind control that WT leaders have dominated them with in their brains. And it puts even MORE accountability on WT leaders in slyly inculcating these twisted, inhumane personality traits into each JW body that sits at the mind numbing indoctrination sessions blaring out over microphones how to think, live, and feel that each JW is a " people for special possession " , a " privileged people ", that somehow they are entitled to more of " God's protection " than a homeless man on the street , because why ? " Jehovah has touched their heart's with the 'truth ' and not worldly people or the homeless man. "

Which is all just BS. JW's are trained to look at themselves as entitled, elite, and " privileged ". Just a filtering down of the same BS attitude that the Governing Body has of itself flows right through into most every JW . It' s sad, disgusting, and typical of mind control cults. And it's one reason I will always continue to call the WT Society and JW's a criminal organization.If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and shits like a duck, it's most probably a duck. It falls on us who have escaped out of the cult to not bury are heads in the sand about just how dangerous a mind control cult it is. Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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One simple photo to sum up the heartless and hypocritical attitudes of many Jehovah's Witnesses

by nicolaou in

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friends

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this was taken in london yesterday by a twitter user still managing his fade so i can't be more specific than that.

disgusting.

flipper

DREARYWEATHER- Your argument doesn't hold much validity. You state that " I learned a valuable lesson from Ray Franz from Crisis of Conscience. He said that while the Governing Body was collectively wrong on many points, he greatly esteemed and admired Lyman Swingle, the GB member. Lyman was a very good man. "

OK fine, I agree Lyman was a good man. I was good friends with the former board member Farkel ( now deceased ) who at one time dated Lyman Swingle's daughter and he said the same thing " Lyman Swingle was a good man. "

Still, that DOES NOT excuse the majority of the WT Society Governing Body's horrific child abuse policies, no blood transfusion policies costing thousands of JW's their life, the shunning of families through disfellowshipping, and deceiving JW's into thinking any day now the shoes gonna drop and the end of the world's coming at Armageddon,another lie to keep them in fear.

If you asked Ray Franz if he felt all the other Governing Body members that kicked him out of the organization were " good men " - I bet he'd beg to differ. For the most part my comments about Jehovah's Witnesses not being concerned for non-JW's or " worldly " people was and is TOTALLY accurate. Just look at how the WT Society is only concerned about JW's and their welfare when natural disasters occur. WT leaders couldn't give a rat's ass about what happens to non-JW's or " worldly " people in disasters. The way they have responded to these disasters in the past PROVES this.

I agree there are the individual , rare cases of JW's like Lyman Swingle who treat other non-JW's fairly, but JW's like him were and are in the minority. They are self serving mind controlled cult members who only look out for their own people who are baptized and " approved " by the WT Society. 90 % to 95 % of the time.

How do I know ? I lived it, breathed it, experienced the hypocrisy from birth until age 44 when I finally extricated myself from and escaped this selfish JW organization. So don't even start to think you can tell me that the negative abuse I received in the JW cult was all in my mind. Because you're wrong. It was real, not only for me but thousands others who've exited this organization. Peace out, Mr. Flipper