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  Rejecting JW Message is More Important than Success to Keep Them Indoctrinated

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recruiting work of jehovah's witnesses has never been very effective.

  such low positive results for such great efforts.

  but the members are paying the gas money and expending the hours, so watchtower is not really losing out.i want you to think about the rejection jw's receive, be it a negative response at the door or people ignoring them at the cart.

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  Thanks for posting this my friend. Very truly put. JW's constantly revel in sharing stories of how they were rejected out in service so it justifies their false concept that they're being " persecuted " for an imaginary " good cause " . They feel if Jesus got persecuted, so should they, and somehow that implants the thought in their mind that " if it's good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for them " . lol.

  What they fail to realize is that much of the negative publicity JW's and the WT Society gets- is true and justified. It's how they try to explain away suffering negative media attention to the horrid child abuse policies within their cult.

  Years ago I had a former friend in 2007 ask me why I didn't go back to meetings ? I told him one of the reasons was the awful child abuse policies and the hiding and covering it over with out of court settlements. Then he said, " Well Flipper, you know the news and media are always trying to persecute us for anything. It's an attack from Satan to damage the organization. " I asked him, " What about news of child abuse in the Mormon's ? The Baptists religion ? Catholics ? Is the news media trying to unfairly attack them as well " ? He didn't answer, just made an excuse that it's different. I told him, " it's not different at all. " I explained to him that Witnesses have a persecution complex. I think the conversation ended shortly thereafter. But you get the idea.

  Take care bud. Great thread. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Did being raised a Jehovah's Witnesses result in psychological damage? An interesting read in the New York Times.

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  interesting read in the new york times book review.

  food for thought on a subject 3rd gen and i have discussed between ourselves and with our daughter.

  in our case, the answer is yes.

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  BALAAMSASS- Excellent article ! Thanks for posting.I was in it from birth, exited 16 years ago , and it takes enormous effort through re-educating oneself to build back up our self esteem as human beings. I think many of us, including myself will be working on getting our real selves back for the rest of our lives.

  One thing that really helped me after I left was not using the JW language and lingo like refusing to say " the truth ", or " brothers & sisters " , or " the friends " or " light gets brighter " - any of that stuff mentally puts those images back in our heads. Thus the extreme importance of newly exiting JW's to STOP attending meetings as soon as possible. So these phrases won't trigger our former cult mentality as much.

  Because physiologically the brain neurotransmitters are used to being hit with these common JW images, and once those images aren't engaged anymore, and replaced with other ideas and research or hobbies like researching ancestry, golfing, shopping, studying secular history, anything informative and interesting, it can help.

  It still takes time, but it can engage our minds in a different direction. Thanks for sharing this my friend, we are all working on it, especially if we were in it from birth. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Is there such a thing as true religion?

  by Half banana in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  “it is the only religion which doesn’t go to war.

  we have friends in every country on earth and we all think alike---we have the true understanding of the bible.

  we are the true religion which god approves………..” says the jw.. to put jws in the context of the question of true religion, we first have to get an insight into how a jw thinks and these points above are the selected criteria chosen by jws to judge themselves.

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  No. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Sacramento Senate Bill & Town Hall Meeting with EX-JW Child Abuse Survivors- March 8th , 2019

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.facebook.com/sarita.piti/posts/2613606355321841.

  https://www.facebook.com/roger.bentley.986/posts/526951087814763.

  https://www.facebook.com/sarita.piti/posts/2618755001473643.

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  California lawmakers have put on hold a bill that would require members of the clergy to break the seal of confession if they learn of child sexual abuse. Pretty sad. The bill is just on " pause " , it has not been withdrawn according to Senator Jerry Hill who wrote the proposal. There is a lot of fight coming from the Catholic church on this, so it's still a battle being fought for the protection of child abuse victims. The bill will be resubmitted with more added details to cover all the bases regarding child abuse.

  Here is the link that was in the July 10th version of the Sacramento Bee newspaper today with a quote from Kameron Torres an ex-Jehovah's Witness :

  https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article232447572.html.
  
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  What natural phenomena or catastrophic event would wake JWs?

  by I believe in overlapping in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my dad was talking to an elder who was trying to convince him the wt is the only organization god is using to save mankind..

  so my dad asked him; “would you still believe if there was a nuclear war and it destroyed 50-75 percent of the earth’s inhabitants including all the watchtower’s main offices?

  elder said; “that will never happen, that can never happen, because the bible tells us the steps of armageddon.

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  Aside from being abducted by aliens, taken to another planet, and anally probed- I don't think anything will work very much to wake up JWs. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  May 2019 Watchtower doubles down on the "Two Witness Rule" !

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this is simply disturbing and infuriating!.

  the may 2019 wt has defiantly and arrogantly been released by the gb, and it is full of their disgusting excuses for not complying with authorities!.

  (i have seen and read all the articles, but cant work out how to upload a link here - perhaps someone can assist?).

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  " Do elders comply with reporting to secular authorities...... about child abuse? "

  WT articles answer " Yes ".

  Bullshit. No they don't. They allow the victim and family of the victim to report to the authorities if they want to. WT Society demands elders to report FIRST and FOREMOST to WT legal department of any instances of child abuse, not report to secular authorities.

  This entire article looks as if the GB and WT Society are trying to cover their own ass to their own JW members just to squelch any doubts or concerns about WT child abuse policies. And of course, like WT leaders do about most everything - they lie through their teeth to control their JW members. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Kids being disfellowshipped

  by Nikki collins in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so some ex-jws and i were at dinner last night talking about how some of the ones baptized this year were so young.

  a few under the age of 10!!

  can you imagine if a kid got dfd at that age.... would the congregation shun them?

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  I've been out of the JW's for 16 years, but I remember an experience I saw that made me so angry around 1995 at a kingdom hall. A young teenager had been announced over the platform as being DFed and a friend of this teenager- an elder and his wife's teenage daughter started crying over her teenage friend being DFed.

  Right after the meeting this elders wife, the girls mother berated her daughter for crying over her friend getting DFed ! She started scolding her, " We're not supposed to cry or feel sorry for those who are disfellowshipped ! They deserve what they are getting ! "

  I was so pissed off observing this from a couple rows of seats away. Made my blood boil. I'm so glad I'm out of this unfeeling, uncaring cult. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  OCT 2019 Watchtower - Survival dependant on loyalty to JW Leaders

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is so much wrong with the newly released october, 2019 but that's not unusual.

  what stands out is there statement claiming that survival through armageddon depends on loyalty to those 'taking the lead'.

  since they claim there will be a point during the gt that they (the gb) won't be physically around, jws must still be loyal to jw leaders.. whats interesting in this article is that they make it clear that they, the governing body are going to take part, from heaven, in the war of armageddon.

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  It's so strange and freaky that usually the REAL truth of reality is the opposite of what WT leaders are feeding these JW's information wise.

  Title of the thread : Survival dependant on loyalty to JW leaders.

  The REAL truth : Survival depends on escaping misguided loyalty to JW leaders. And escaping the JW cult. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Losing a loyal friend of 14 years

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this last tuesday was one of the most stressful and sad days of our life when we had our lab morgan put to sleep.

  she was so sick and out of it we just had to do it.

  when i called the spca on monday to make a appointment to have her put to sleep i felt like i betrayed her.

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  STILL TOTALLY ADD- Don't feel too much guilt my friend. I cried more over my pets dying than my staunch long time JW elder dad as well when he died a couple years ago. Cried rivers and buckets when my mom died, not so my father. There are legitimate reasons we react in these ways- and believe me, it's not our fault. Hang in there buddy. Your pal, Flipper
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  Losing a loyal friend of 14 years

  by Still Totally ADD in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this last tuesday was one of the most stressful and sad days of our life when we had our lab morgan put to sleep.

  she was so sick and out of it we just had to do it.

  when i called the spca on monday to make a appointment to have her put to sleep i felt like i betrayed her.

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  STILL TOTALLY ADD- My wife and I are very sorry for you and your wife's loss of your dear Morgan. We've lost 2 black labs one in 2010, another in 2013, ages were 12 and almost 15.It's never easy. We send our deepest condolences to you both. Our animals are family to many of us, especially when they treat us better than any of our still living JW relatives ! That says a lot . Take care friends, Sincerely, Mr. & Mrs. Flipper