Posts by logic

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re:daniel book

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nebuchadnezzar is now king.. .

now on page pg 32 par 4; this writer says that he was not king from 628-618 b.c.

then became king again in 618 b.c.. .

OLD HIPPIE, "ON THE WAY OUT" ALREADY POINTED THAT OUT WHICH ON MY SECOND POST I THANKED HIM FOR. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THE SOCIETY WROTE THAT CONVULUTED BUNCH OF CRAP SO NO ONE CAN FIGURE OUT THE REAL TRUTH THAT THESE DATES ARE MEANINGLESS ANYWAY. FOR YOU INFO I ASKED SEVERAL JWS TO CLEARIFY THIS FOR ME AND THEY COULDNT FIGURE IT OUT EITHER. MUST MAKE YOU SMARTER THAN THE AVERAGE BEAR HUH......

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stupid things jws do

by logic in

i like this site because you can say what is the truth, the things you would like to stand up in the congregation and say.

for just a few: the last par.

in the watchtower study says "what are we going to study in the next article" and then some moron always raises his hand and answers....... calling everyone by brother this and brother that.

logic

I LIKE THIS SITE BECAUSE YOU CAN SAY WHAT IS THE TRUTH, THE THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE TO STAND UP IN THE CONGREGATION AND SAY. FOR JUST A FEW: THE LAST PAR. IN THE WATCHTOWER STUDY SAYS "WHAT ARE WE GOING TO STUDY IN THE NEXT ARTICLE" AND THEN SOME MORON ALWAYS RAISES HIS HAND AND ANSWERS....... CALLING EVERYONE BY BROTHER THIS AND BROTHER THAT. ..... CRAZY SAYINGS ---OUT IN SERVICE . OUT IN FIELD SERVICE. KINGDOM HALL.. BIBLE STUDIES THAT ARE BOOK STUDIES...NEW SYSTEM ...NEW WORLD....SOCIETY... ORGANIZATION......LITERATURE... PIONEERS SPECIAL PIONEERS... PUBLISHERS.....WITNESSES....SPIRITUALY STRONG.... STRONG IN THE TRUTH.....HOW WONDERFULL THE BOOK STUDY AND THE WATCHTOWER STUDY AND THE TALK AND THE ASSEMBLY WERE.......THIS SYSTEM OF THINGS......WORDLY PEOPLE..MINISTRY SCHOOL....AND ON AND ON ..// AND IF YOU DONT GO ALONG WITH TALKING LIKE A FOOL YOU ARE CONSIDERED SPIRITUAL WEAK... OOPS THERE IS ANOTHER ONE.... IM SURE THERE REST OF YOU CAN COME UP WITH ALOT MORE THAN THIS.....

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JW CONFUSION

by logic in

this is real doublespeak: watchtower april 1, 2007 pg 21 par.

1 "you must not let people call you leaders-- you have only one leader.

matt 23:10 .

logic

BY THE LOOKS OF THE CLOTHES HE IS WEARING, IT LOOKS AS HE BEING PREPARED TO BE BURIED AND THOSE WITH HIM ARE WAITING TO CART HIM OFF. UNLESS THEY DRESSED HIM UP AS A CLOWN AND THEY ARE JUST HAVING A GOOD LAST JOKE ON HIM.

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JW CONFUSION

by logic in

this is real doublespeak: watchtower april 1, 2007 pg 21 par.

1 "you must not let people call you leaders-- you have only one leader.

matt 23:10 .

logic

THIS IS REAL DOUBLESPEAK: WATCHTOWER APRIL 1, 2007 PG 21 PAR. 1 "YOU MUST NOT LET PEOPLE CALL YOU LEADERS-- YOU HAVE ONLY ONE LEADER. MATT 23:10 . WITH THESE WORDS, JESUS MADE IT PLAIN TO HIS FOLLOWERS THAT NO MAN EARTH WOULD BE THEIR LEADER. THEIR ONE LEADER WOULD BE HEAVENLY--JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF".. GOES ON ... SOUNDS PRETTY GOOD RIGHT? BUT STARTING PAR.3 STARTS WITH THE SAME BUNCH OF BULL THEY ALWAYS COME UP WITH ONLY WORSE. ABSOLUTELY NO SCRIPTUAL BACKUP. IF JWS KNEW THAT RUTHERFORD CAME UP WITH THIS ILLUSION AND NO ONE ELSE THIER MINDS MIGHT START WORKING AGAIN. I TOLD MY WIFE THAT RUTHERFORD WROTE 90 PERCENT OF EVERYTHING IN HIS PRESIDENCY AND INFLUENCED THE REST, AND HE SAID HE HE GOT THAT FROM ANGELS. SHE JUST GAVE ME THE USUAL BLANK STARE. WITNESSES SHOULD BE CALLED RUTHERFORDITES

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District Convention(DC) typical of Temple Money Changers(TMC)

by bobld in

w/o going into all the history.dc/tmc are all about money.tmc(priests) didn't care how poor the people were or how far they had to travel.they knew the people had to offer sacrifices for the atonement of their sins.also they req'd to buy animals from the tmc.they (tmc) saw an oppportunity to make a ton of money.. wts(gb/faithful slave) select locations for their dc at the lowest price they can get.they don't care how far the r&f have to travel or the cost.req'd (sacrifice) to attend dc.also the r&f have to stay at selected wts hotels.they wts see an opportunity to make a ton of money.ex.a few years back instead of having 1dc in vcr,bc as usual(which would of cost the wts a few dollars more no deal that year) they had 5 dc in kamloops,bc over 200 hundred miles away.approx.

20k r&f had to make that sacrifical trip from vcr to kamloops.cost to r&f est.$2 million.profit est.

to wts $200k.. dc rules... stay at select wts hotels(money for wts),type of food containers, dress,badges.oh so many rules you better see km's for a ton of them.i guess that is to keep r&f on their toes or else it will weigh them down.. ps: stay tuned i have some interesting thoughts on this years dc.. bob.

logic

THE "ASSEMBLYS" R THE BIGGEST RIPOFFS THE SOCIETY HAS. AND THE BIGGEST PAIN TO GO TO . YEARS AGO AFTER MY COMPLAINING ALL THE TIME, I TOLD MY WIFE , YOU KNOW WHY DONT YOU JUST GO WITH YOU MOTHER OR SOMEONE, I WILL STAY HOME AND WE CAN BOTH ENJOY OURSELVES . WORKED OUT GREAT. I KNOW THAT WIFE GOES JUST FOR THE SO CALLED FELLOWSHIP ANYWAY . ALL ASSEMBLYS ARE JUST SOCIAL . NOBODY GOS THERE TO LEARN. ANYBODY THAT SAYS THEY ENJOY THAT KIND OF TORTURE IS EITHER A SADOMASCOCHIST OR A LIER. IF EVERY SO CALLED JW WOULD JUST SEND THE SOCIETY THE MONEY IN LIEU OF GOING TO AN ASSEMBLY THEN THIS INSANITY WOULD STOP. POSTERS BEFORE ME , YOU ARE CORRECT. HOW CAN A PAID FOR ASSEMBLY HALL , NO FOOD , JUST GAS AND ELEC. COST SO MUCH . THEY NAIL YOU FOR THE COST, THEN DOUBLE IT SO THEY CAN GET THE SAME AMOUNT SENT TO HEADQUARTERS. MY GOD HOW MUCH RIPOFF CAN PEOPLE TOLERATE. A LOT...

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building commitee

by logic in

is anyone familiar with the building commitee?

it appears that alot of hanky panky is going on here.

for instance, i know for a fact that some contractors have arrangements to be paid.

logic

UP UNTILL A FEW YEARS AGO I VOLUNTEERED UNTILL I DISCOVERED WHAT WAS GOING ON. I GOT TIRED OF HAVING MORE CHIEFS ON THE JOB THAN INDIANS, AND THE FACT I WAS WORKING FREE WHICH OF COURSE HELPED THE CONTRACTORS MAKE MORE MONEY.

HOW WOULD YOU LIKE A BUISNESS WHERE YOU GET LABORERS FOR FREE.

IF YOUR AVERAGE JW KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON , THERE WOULD BE NO VOLUNTEERS.

I DID MY OWN INSPECTION ON KH , REPAIRS, WHICH WAS MINOR AMOUNTED TO A FEW HUNDERED DOLLARS PLUS A GOOD PAINT JOB. IT HAS TURNED INTO A MAJOR GUT AND REMODEL, AND THE FUNNY THING IS NO ONE LIKES THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

ALL DECISIONS ARE MADE BY SOCIETY ON EVERYTHING INCLUDING YOUR LIFE. ALL THEIR TRUE COLORS ARE COMMING OUT.

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building commitee

by logic in

is anyone familiar with the building commitee?

it appears that alot of hanky panky is going on here.

for instance, i know for a fact that some contractors have arrangements to be paid.

logic

IS ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH THE BUILDING COMMITEE? IT APPEARS THAT ALOT OF HANKY PANKY IS GOING ON HERE. FOR INSTANCE, I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SOME CONTRACTORS HAVE ARRANGEMENTS TO BE PAID. THE WORK WAS NOT OPENED TO BID. THEN THERE IS THE GOOFY ARRANGEMENTS TO WORK ON THE PROJECTS. IF YOU ARE JUST LABORER ETC. YOU CAN BE IMMATURE OR WHAT EVER, BUT TO BE IN ON THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION YOU HAVE TO BE INTERVIEWED AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF BULL.

MYSELF BEING IN CONSTRUCTION FOR OVER 35 YEARS AND AN EXPERIENCED SUPERINTENDENT AND ESTIMATOR HAVE KNOWN THAT THE PROJECTS ARE ALWAYS OVERPRICED. THIS HAS BOTHERED ME FOR YEARS. IT IS LIKE THE BUILDING COMMITEE IS A SECRET SOCIETY OR SOMETHING. I HAVE THOUGHT THAT IF THE TRUTH ABOUT ALL THIS CAME OUT IT WOULD REALLY HURT THE WT

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dealing with it

by logic in

i am 60 years old.

born and raised in the truth.

never so called strong in the truth.

logic

I AM 60 YEARS OLD. BORN AND RAISED IN THE TRUTH. NEVER SO CALLED STRONG IN THE TRUTH. ALWAYS HAD QUESTIONS ON H0W SOCIETY CAME UP WITH SUCH SILLY THINGS. SCRIPTURES NEVER SEEM TO MATCHUP. BUT UNTILL ABOUT 5 YEARS AGO JUST LET IT GO IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER. AT THAT TIME WAS READING ABOUT THE GREAT PYRAMID WHEN I CAME ACROSS THE STATEMENT ABOUT RUSSELL. THAT STARTED ME ON A WHOLE NEW HOBBY, INTENSIVE RESEARCH ON EVERYTHING I HAD BEEN TOLD BY THE SOCIETY. MY CONCLUSIONS IN A NUT SHELL.......EVERYTHING THE SOCIEY HAS BEEN RIGHT ABOUT THEY GOT FROM SOMEONE ELSE LONG AGO, EVERYTHING THEY ARE WRONG ABOUT THEY CAME UP WITH ON THIER OWN. I STILL GO WITH MY WIFE TO THE MEETINGS BUT I READ THE BIBLE , HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS FROM A KJB LARGE BIBLE THAT NO ONE HAS EVER EVEN NOTICED. THIS HAS ALLOWED ME TO HAVE COVERED THE BIBLE SEVERAL TIMES . REVELATION DOZENS OF TIMES. THAT IS HOW I HAVE DEALT WITH IT. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY LONG STORY MADE VERY SHORT.

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re:daniel book

by logic in

nebuchadnezzar is now king.. .

now on page pg 32 par 4; this writer says that he was not king from 628-618 b.c.

then became king again in 618 b.c.. .

logic

Thankyou (on the way out). Read that point several times did not pick up on it. It is typical of the literature of the WT , you have to be very observant, jump page to page chapter to chapter then scratch you head untill you are bald and you may finally get what doesnt make sense to start with.

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re:daniel book

by logic in

nebuchadnezzar is now king.. .

now on page pg 32 par 4; this writer says that he was not king from 628-618 b.c.

then became king again in 618 b.c.. .

logic

A CLOSER LOOK AT THE BOOK:

PAY ATTENTION TO DANIEL’S PROPHECY

On page 31 par 2 the writer gives a short account of Prince Nebuchadnezzar’s account in 625 B.C. of some of his victories ;

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In 625 B.C.E. , Egyptian Pharaoh Necho made a last-ditch effort to block Babylonian expansion southward. To that end, he led his army to Carchemish, located on the banks of the upper Euphrates River. The battle of Carchemish, as it came to be called, was a decisive, historic event. The Babylonian army, led by Crown Prince Nebuchadnezzar , inflicted a devastating blow on Pharaoh Necho’s forces. (Jeremiah 46:2) Riding on the momentum of his victory, Nebuchadnezzar swept over Syria and Palestine and, for all practical purposes, put an end to Egyptian domination in this region. It was only the death of his father, Nabopolassar, that brought a temporary halt to his campaign.

Notice that in

625 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar is a prince only.

Now the writer says in the following chapter 3 that Nebuchadnezzar is crowned king.

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The next year , Nebuchadnezzar— now enthroned as king of Babylon—once again turned his attention to his military campaigns in Syria and Palestine. It was during this period that he came to Jerusalem for the first time. The Bible reports: "In his days Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came up, and so Jehoiakim became his servant for three years. However, he turned back and rebelled against him."—2 Kings 24:1.

Now the next year which would be

624 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar is now king .

Also on pg 63 par 2 writer again says

Nebuchadnezza r became king in 624 B.C.

According to this writer

Nebuchadnezzar became king in 624 B.C.

Now on page pg 32 par 4; this writer says that he was not king from

628-618 B.C.

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The expression "for three years" is of special interest to us, for the opening words of Daniel read: "In the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim the king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and proceeded to lay siege to it." (Daniel 1:1) In the third year of the complete kingship of Jehoiakim, who reigned from 628 to 618 B.C.E., Nebuchadnezzar was not yet "the king of Babylon " but was the crown prince. In 620 B.C.E., Nebuchadnezzar compelled Jehoiakim to pay tribute. But after about three years, Jehoiakim revolted. Thus, it was in 618 B.C.E. , or during the third year of the kingship of Jehoiakim as a vassal of Babylon, that King Nebuchadnezzar came to Jerusalem a second time, to punish the rebellious Jehoiakim.)

According to this writer

Nebuchadnezzar became king in 624 then was not king between 628-618 B.C. Then became king again in 618 B.C .

Now on pg 32 par 5 the writer says that

Jehoiachim surrendered in 617 B.C. in the following two paragraphs tells of the taking sacred utensils.

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The outcome of this siege was that "in time Jehovah gave into his hand Jehoiakim the king of Judah and a part of the utensils of the house of the true God." (Daniel 1:2) Jehoiakim probably died, either by assassination or in a revolt, during the early stages of the siege. (Jeremiah 22:18, 19) In 618 B.C.E., his 18-year-old son, Jehoiachin, succeeded him as king. But Jehoiachin’s rule lasted only three months and ten days, and he surrendered in 617 B.C.E.—Compare 2 Kings 24:10-15.)

Then in paragraph 8 the writer tells of the taking of Daniel as prisoner back to Babylon;

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Who were chosen? We are told: "There happened to be among them some of the sons of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah." (Daniel 1:6) This sheds some light on the otherwise obscure background of Daniel and his companions. For example, we note that they were "sons of Judah," the kingly tribe. Whether they were from the royal line or not, it is reasonable to think that they were at least from families of some importance and influence. Besides being of sound mind and body, they had insight, wisdom, knowledge, and discernment—all when they were at an age young enough to be called "children," perhaps in their early teens. Daniel and his companions must have been outstanding—the elite—among the youths in Jerusalem. )

Notice all this took place in

617 B.C.

Now on pg 46 par 2 the writer infers that Nebucharnezzar became king effectively in 607 B.C. And in his second year he had the famous dream which was later interpreted by Daniel.

What this writer is trying to say is that Nebucharnezzar did not become king of the world until 607 B.C. and that daniel would have dicipher the dream 2 years later which would have been 606-605 B.C. Even though daniel was captured in 617 B.C.

It appears that there are than more than one writer of this book who have access to information that differs with each other . Or only one writer who is completly confused. Or this is done on purpose to confused the issue. Or the writer is trying to give us some clue about the true chonology. As you can see from all the information above if daniel was captured in 617 B.C. he would been in Babylon 12 years at the time he interpreted the dream, which of course would have been impossible, as the bible says the most he would have been there is three years which is when he completed his training .pg 8 par 11 .

11 This would not be easy. King Nebuchadnezzar was a zealous devotee of Marduk, the chief deity of Babylon. The king’s demands were at times totally unacceptable to a worshiper of Jehovah. (For example, see Daniel 3:1-7.) Yet, Daniel and his companions had Jehovah’s unfailing guidance. During their three years of training, they were blessed by God with "knowledge and insight in all writing and wisdom." In addition, Daniel was given thewhe ability to understand the meaning of visions and dreams. Later when the king made an examination of these four young men, he found them to be "ten times better than all the magic-practicing priests and the conjurers that were in all his royal realm."—Daniel 1:17, 20.

Furthermore the writer has established that nebuchadnezzar became king in 624 B.C.

That means that his second year would have been 622 B.C. which means that daniel was not taken in 617 B. C. but in 624 B. C.

So this writer or writers have said the following:

Nebuchadnezzar became king in 624. B.C.

That Daniel interpreted the dream in 622 B.C.

That Nebuchadnezzar was not king between 628-618 B.C.

That he became king in 618 B.C.

That he took Daniel in 617 B.C.

That Daniel interpreted the dream in 615 B.C.

That Nebuchadnezzar became king in 607 B.C.

That Daniel interpreted the dream in 605 B.C.

In summary Nebuchadnezzar became king in 624, 618, 607 B.C.

IS SOMEONE VERY CONFUSED ?