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  Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

  by Simon in

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  judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

  imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

  by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

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  smiddy

  They have thumbed their nose at the law ( on numerous occasions ) before and got away with it

  So I will reserve my judgement till the final verdict is sounded , and I`m not holding my breath .

  just saying

  smiddy
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  Using the depression card: Only when critical to family?

  by JWdaughter in

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  i just was reading a thread and it occurred to me that "using" depression as a way to deflect from wt obligations is a mistake.

  it feeds their sense of superiority-because when you do finally leave or get kicked out, they will say how leaving jehovah ruins lives.

  they won't do anything with you anymore in any case, but why feed their delusions?.

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  Sorry JWdaughter , but you are being naive ,

  No doubt you have good intentions with your proposal but really ? Having a get together with JW`s and they wont /cant talk about religion ? Pigs will fly before that happens .

  And if you are a person who is irregular at the meetings/field service you would be " marked" as a person not to associate with , not being spiritual enough.

  You state , { crow about the " joy of living in this glorious world GOD created for us" } ?

  Jehovah`s Witnesses don`t live in the now , they live for the future paradise ,this world is coming to an end ,it is controlled by Satan the Devil .And they pray for it`s destruction ,along with millions of humans .

  They are not interested in this world as it is , they are focused on the "New World " that is coming.

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  Real people who are not "mentally diseased"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skcruyridpy.

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  smiddy

  Thanks for posting stuck

  That was a well thought out video ,if only JW`s took the time to view it .Hopefully lurkers who allow their curiosity to see it , will think about the statements that are made and investigate further .Maybe it will plant a few seeds in fertile minds.

  We can only hope so.

  See ? I too am an Apostate who cares about people still trapped in the JW religion .

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  Not on jw.org : Jehovah's Witness van driver arrested for ignoring rape of child

  by JimmyPage in

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  2. friends

  http://5newsonline.com/2016/06/23/report-van-driver-arrested-for-not-stopping-rape-of-child/.

  i don't believe the article says he's a jw, but he is..

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  JP

  Nothing in the reports I have read suggest that the van driver was a religious person let alone a JW ,how did you arrive at that conclusion ?

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  Can you relate?

  by TimeBandit in

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  i used to try really hard to fit in when i was an active, true blue jw.

  somehow it hardly ever paid off.

  time after time i attempted to mingle and make jw friends.

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  sir82

  "Sorry you were saying something ?"

  Can you elaborate please ?

  I think TB had a genuine question that you seem to have dismissed out of hand ,and put down by your comment.

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  A cheeky cigarette in Adelaide

  by wozza in

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  my partner has been going to the adelaide law courts recently and as she goes thru the topham mall she has said hello to the jw cart ladies on her way ,well, today one of the ladies she observed went around the corner from the cart and lit up a ciggy...so naughty.. my partner has never been a witness but she knows i was once and asked me if they were allowed to smoke now.. jeez they get up to some naughty stuff when they are lounging around on their phones ,must be the devils tools corrupting them ha ha.

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  Well , having a ciggie was not a no-no until sometime after the 60`s ? I remember that because I used to smoke and was counselled about it being unclean by a non smoker so I quit , only to find out later their was no penalty`s against it to much later , at the time I felt cheated.for a while.

  However thankfully that is one positive I take for the JW`s.

  smiddy
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  Sin Inherited Humankind

  by looter in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so jws believe all humans have faults, problems, birth pangs, etc., because we all inherited sin from the original human being adam.

  like i would like this to make since but why would jehovah do this to future humans who have done nothing wrong at all?

  i think of it like if a parent has one child and that child really disobeyed her before then when the parent has a second child, she punishes that child because of what her first did.

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  You haven`t thought this through looter ,all of Adam and Eve`s offspring have a direct line of descent ,whereas your analogy does not fit that scenario .

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  List of "pagan" things JW's allow

  by problemaddict 2 in

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  2. beliefs

  what i'm looking for specifically is things that are "pagan" in the sense they predate christianity (or i guess judiasm to cover the ole mosaic code), that jw's allow or do.

  the ones that come to mind are below.. rings - rings seem to originate in egypt.

  for wedding ceremonies it became a symbol of "ownership" in rome.. pinatas - looks like possibly it originated in china as a part of the new year and a request for luck, and catholics later turned it into a beating of temptation type thing.. anything else?.

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  smiddy

  How about wedding anniversarys , isn`t that akin to birthday celebrations ?

  problemaddict 2 , maybe you should start a thread on what was allowed by Jehovah that is now frowned upon by

  JW`s ,Eg,beards ,even though they depict in their illustrations of the heavenly class as all having beards.

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  Do flat earth beliefs deserve respect?

  by azor in

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  what say you.

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  dropoffyourkeylee,

  Just to clarify my friend ,Jw`s never believed the earth /universe was created in 6 days of 7000 years (42000 years ) ago .

  When I joined in 1960 , they taught the universe / earth could have been around for millions of years.

  The 7000 years for a day only applied to when Jehovah decided to make the Earth as a place for humans to live on.

  Gen 1:1 Could be applied to millions of years ago

  Gen 1:2 applies to when Jehovah God turned his attention to the Earth to put humans on it.

  That is the official WT teaching .(back then anyway )

  Of course that means that humanity has only existed for no more than 6000 years , along with animals ,vegetation ,etc, which is absurd , and not supported by academics in their relative fields.

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  Why Are You Here?

  by Believer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm wondering why believers remain members of this forum which is clearly hostile to believers.

  as one member said, nonbelievers pounce on any semblance of belief like piranhas on prey.

  as former jws we should have had our fill of judgmental know-it-alls, but here we are.

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  Believer

  If the Hebrew Scriptures ,Old Testament is not relevant for Christians , that is , it`s outdated and not relevant in our day for Christians why is it even a part of the Christian Bible?

  Almighty GOD inspired the Old Testament and gave his laws on everyday issues religious and social ,,to reject that either means GOD was wrong or he has had a change of heart .

  However the Bible states that GOD is the same today as he was yesterday and will be the same tomorrow , in other words he never changes. And he certainly can`t be wrong.

  Jesus Christ accepted and worshiped the GOD of the Old Testament and instructed his followers to do so also .The GOD of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament do not gel.together.

  Jesus said you only have to observe two commandments , so God burdened the Jews with eight other commandments that was not needed ,along with a multitude of other laws and requirements.

  Why am I here ? to learn , to see others point of view ,and to discuss issues that are brought up about religion and specifically JW teachings.

  smiddy