less than 5 hours ago my great dad fell asleep the last time :( still in a bit of a shock and sad that i will not see him again...i promised myself that once he is here no more, i will somehow make my move out of this organisation who kept us all captive believing in a fantasy of an everlasting life :( i am in a tricky situation, since raised as jw, still in, married to an active jw, and pretty sure that all in my social and family circle will turn their backs on me if i finally say goodbye to a fairytail ;(.
Welcome Frezia , I`m sorry for your loss and send you my condolences .I notice you only joined this site about 10 days ago .
You may notice on the top right hand corner of the page a search option where you can look back on previous posts for a wealth of helpful hints from posters on having a successful fade minimising rifts with family members .
I wish you all the best on your exit from the cult.
every relationship, every government ,every religion , the application of different control factors always take place.
are we as human adverse to this control factor or is rebellion a part of our make up?
can someone ever be free from some control?
As I have grown up and matured (?) I have come to the realization that "control" of one degree or another is always present in any relationship ,whether between a husband & wife , or even same sex couples .
One partner or the other is going to have a stronger personality , either to a greater or lesser degree than the other partner , and they are going to exert their influence
Stronger personality = greater control , Weaker personality = lesser control
Domestic violence in relationships is one obvious result of usually a man controlling , dominating a woman.
Of course the opposite can be true but that is more of a rarity.
This myth of a perfect marriage/ relationship , is just that , a myth , in such relationships either the husband is a doormat or the wife is a doormat bending to the will of the dominant personality , the controlling person.
Compromising all the time for the sake of peace , means you are being controlled.Face it.
Getting all your own way in discussions could mean your the controlling partner.Face that.
When this sort of influence goes on in normal households , imagine what goes on in politics around the world , and not just politics , commerce , and religion .
for anybody who understands german.. http://www.n-tv.de/panorama/masha-16-jahre-zeugin-jehovas-article18689741.html.
it is quite rare that a german news site actually puts something up about jws, after all they are insignificant from a newsworthy point of view.
but i like the fact that they have put this up..
The translation says that Masha Root was born into the religion and decided at the age of 16 she no longer wanted to be a part of it after having been in a relationship with a worldly person and was ratted on to the Elders by a "friend" .
Her u-tube has been visited by a quarter of a million viewers denouncing JW`s as a cult.
She was baptized as a witness at the age of 12 and since leaving a couple of years ago she has lost her" friends" and parents and is being shunned.
Thats what I gleaned from the broken english translation .
if an elder sitting in a jc has a secret sin of a serious nature, his rulings that took place while this sin was unknown are still binding.
in a court of law of most countries that would be a grounds for appeal.
regardless i know they are kangaroo courts ,where anyone who has any biblical knowledge knows they can't back up a scriptural reference for a three man tribunal.
If an Elder on a JC has an undisclosed sin he`s hiding , the ruling would still be binding because of the scripture " where the 2 or 3 witness rule applies.
Just my 2 cents worth.
That`s pretty good also POR , however Mw suggestion suits my hip pocket better.
this notice is not official yet and it should be confidential until released thru the proper channels.
a friend of mine told me about a huge elders meeting in southern california.
the subject was the relocation and dissolution of some congregations; it seems that this is the result of some project that has been going on for some time and is going to be implemented right now.. please let me know if this is happening all over the country?.
The more changes they make the more they become like Christendoms mega churches , like Joyce Meyer and the likes with the GB members strutting the stage.
this topic is related to the one about the relocation of publishers and moving and dissolving congregations.. some of the things that we are seeing now were unthinkable a few years back, examples the closing of the branches, layoff of bethelites and travelling overseers, the grabbing of the congregations funds and many more.
some of my friends tell me that basically the wt was operating with an early 20th century business model that needed a tune up and that worldly consultants are behind the changes that have been implemented.. nevertheless to put it in hollywood terms, they seem to think that they are on a “mission from god” and that they are “going where no man, has gone before”..
Hecce ,"Maybe that is the reason why Loesch is not giving them the consent to the 75 year old ceiling in the GB"
I`m missing something here ? whats that about ?
Choock , you raise a good point ,
So when they dedicate a Kingdom Hall to God Jehovah , which is usually funded by contributions from the R&F , worked on by voluntary labour ,with materials that are often gifted for it`s construction , that dedication only remains in force until the time they sell that dedicated hall to Jehovah God , for financiall gain
The profit of which goes straight to the American Headquarters of the WTB&TS.
All those who donated time ,money labour,material gifts etc.,,are left with an empty pocket ,and no Kingdom Hall.And are then told to go to another Kingdom Hall further away at their own expense .
i attended the circus assembly last weekend and i have come to the conclusion i am lacking faith.
the opening talk on the program, the very first words that came out of the speakers mouth told me so.
he said most of us here are lacking faith even though we might not know it.
The R&F need more faith , so the GB / WT corporation can extract more money out of those R&F with faith so the GB members can keep living their lavish lifestyle of being clothed and fed , with expensive watches and pinky rings , and travel the world giving talks in foreign lands and revelling in the adoration of the gullible who finance their lifestyle..
Who could ask for anything more ?
i approach elders like a skilled lawyer, more than once i applied this.
i would ask is it better to reveal a serious sin or is it better to hide.
of course we know the answer i received.
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander ,let`s see that same principle apply to the average Bro and Sis , in the congregation.
i have done this exactly as quoted more than once.
i ask elder if it's better to hide serious sin or reveal, of course we know the answer.
then i ask them to explain elders book page 38 paragraph 19, which say it's sometimes ok for elder who has committed immorality and has kept it secret to continue serving as elder.
One set of rules/standards for Elders and another set for the R&F , hypocrites .
