guys,.
i need your help in trying to wrap my head around this strange experience i had today talking with a jw lady sitting at a literature table in a busy outdoor shopping center.. i'm a very shy person, but i always wanted to ask these jws at their literature stands questions to start them thinking about the validity of watchtower teaching.
i finally mustered my strength today to talk to this jw lady.
The JW organisation are always re-writing their history and what has been written before is always "old truths" so they just mentally discard what was "true" to them previously -even facts of history.
I know its hard to get your head around this.Our minds boggle at the thought of it.
She is just obviously swallowing hook line and sinker whatever the GB says and refusing to use her own brain .
She is a typical WT robot.
with all the legalese being tossed around, and the expert manipulation on the part of the wtbts, who can explain why the "two witness" is being perverted by the wtbts?
i don't care if you're a bible believer and want to approach this from a biblical standpoint, or if you simply use logic and reason.
how would you explain this subject to a j-dub, or even a non-dub?.
The ARC into child sexual abuse case 54 ,they need to be made aware that the 2 witness rule is not a 2000 year old scriptual requirement but actually a 4000 year old law given by Moses Deut.17:6
"at the mouth of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one dying should be put to death .He will not be put to death at the mouth of one witness."
Surely society has come a long way in caring for children and adults these past 4000 years. , if anyone condones this then they might as well condone the barbaric actions of Isis , Muslim extremists for adherring to hundreds of years old scriptures.
1: what is the official watchtower society child abuse policy?.
22: are child molesters ever allowed to go door-to-door alone?
35: (very important question) is it true that former governing body member leo greenlees was removed from the governing body for a molesting a child?
Bumped in the light of the latest ARC case 54 .
Questions that were raised 14 years ago and it seems nothing has changed
Some excellent questions that were raised then about the two witness rule .
And some other very pertinent questions that are still not addressed even today.
This would have been a great thread for the ARC to sift through.
Enjoy
once again, the arc has brilliantly highlighted the reality that any witness who either fades or disassociates is subjected to active official shunning by the organization.. the "brothers" tried to state that it was the choice of the indiviual who steps away from the organization to shun them!
they actually tried to make it out to be the fault of the one who leaves!
then they tried to say that those who fade are not shunned!.
Spinks and O`brien might try to pull the wool over the eyes of the ARC , but they are too smart to fall for that trap.
The 2 JW`s were pathetic in their response to the ARC.
And its great to know that this expose of the JW religion is going all around the world that should help other honest hearted ones to just walk away from this mind controlling religion and live their own life.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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what is the exact live streaming site for the arc today in sydney?
i hope someone or more here will be watching and giving info/quips throughout the case.
also, will someone here or elsewhere be able to 'save' a video of this (all or part).
Jwfacts ,that was priceless , those judges must be thinking what planet are these people on.
Unbelievable , the mind boggles.
Over 1100 people from all over the world were critical of the WT`s handling of child sexual abuse that QC Angus Stewart commented on.
The ARC were dissapointed that the GB of the WTB&TS refused to send a GB member to front the ARC.
Spinks and O`Brien are obviously way out of their depth in responding to the ARC they just come across as so inept .
edit: first link the sound dropped off for no apparent reason.
this link works.
https://youtu.be/ujdqpdfhuco.
The sound in pt2 is very low I had trouble hearing it and gave up.
But thanks for trying maybe its just my PC
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.
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How do they respond to an allegation of a JW sexually abusing a child in the congregation where their are no two witnesses to substantiate the claim ,so no action is taken by the congregation and their is no reporting of the claim to either police or child protection authorities.
Because no two witnesses were present at the time of the alleged offence does not mean it did not occur.
The alleged perpetrator is still allowed to participate in the D2D ministry that is proscribed as an activity that denotes one as a JW. in good standing.
What safegaurds are in place to protect the children in the general community when an alleged sexual perpetrator is still allowed to go from D2D where children may be at home on their own while the parents may be out.?
Shouldnt every person who goes from D2D have a working with children check and not just Elders and Ministerial servants ?
Isnt a lay person ( a Rank and file person JW speak ) capable of molesting a child ?
jehovah’s witnesses “child safeguarding policy” (great britain, ireland, uk) – 2017. analysis of the child safeguarding policy of jehovah’s witnesses in the united kingdom and the republic of ireland [2017].
by barbara anderson.
2013’s “watch tower bible and tract society of britain and congregations of jehovah’s witnesses in the united kingdom and ireland child safeguarding policy” (wtb&ts of britain’s csp) document was considered to be the official watch tower policy until the release on january 1 of the 2017 “child safeguarding policy of jehovah’s witnesses in the united kingdom, etc.,” (csp of jws in the uk).”.
I wonder why Vincent Toole `s name wasnt their .? or G .Jackson , the GB member ?. Are other witnesses likely to be asked to appear at a later date ?
One thing (among many others) that I am interested in is how do they respond to an allegation of child sexual abuse by a JW member and their are no 2 witnesses to the allegation and it is not reported to either the police or child protection authorities and that person is still allowed to participate in the D2D ministry where children in the general community are at risk ?.
What safegaurds are in place to protect children in the general community when an alleged perpetrator is still allowed to go D2D where children may be at home on their own when their parents are out.?
ah, yes, so mid-way through a conversation about work, a family member just had to say "oh, you know the memorial is tuesday april 11, so i guess you will have to schedule your work so you can make it right?".
i simply said "oh is it?
" and then went back to what we were talking about.. has anyone else had the pressure to attend put on them?.
Well now I know the memorial is on Tuesday April 11th so I must make sure I have other plans for that evening.
CoCo , you were asked to leave the memorial ? As a brother in good standing I can understand you being crushed .
Do you care to elaborate ? I`m curious ( it couldnt have been because of your prose surely ) LOL
