Posts by smiddy

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Rick Simmons or Irwin Zalkin- Who should I call

by AbusedandPissed in

hi there i am new to this and want to get some advice.

i think i was abused as a child by someone in a hall in central california a long time ago.

i have been seeing on here for a while, two names keep popping up to get help.

so everyone is supposed to get all excited about the invitation work starting tomorrow, according to the announcement from the platform.. maybe this makes sense if you're giving out invitations in the city where the convention is, but what if you're many hours away?.

a huge part of western canada is scheduled to attend edmonton alberta this july.

so how does that go over giving out invitations in winnipeg, about a 13 hour drive(that's just driving time).. i know some are actually planning on flying there, so i can't see getting excited about getting the public to make the trek.. i was curious how this is going over in other areas?.

smiddy

Now that I think of it I recieved an invitation to a Melbourne convention a year or two ago and its a 4 or 5 hour drive away from where I live .

Thats crazy.

Nobody in this area takes up an invitation to a public talk at the local KH and yet they hand out invitations to a convention thats at least 4 hours away ?

Do they honestly think anybody will respond to these invitations ?

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"Child abuse is abhorrent to us."

by Hecce in

birds of a feather flock together.

australian cardinal george pell: "they are false.

the whole idea of sexual abuse is abhorrent to me.".

smiddy

As the saying goes "where their `s smoke theres fire"

"Cardinal Pell is charged with multiple sex abuse offences relating to multiple complainants"

This case has gained world wide attention him being a senior Cardinal close to the Pope and the Vatican

I wonder if their are any senior members of the WTB&TS that we will find out one day that has skeletons in the closet ?

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Convention invitations

by dothemath in

so everyone is supposed to get all excited about the invitation work starting tomorrow, according to the announcement from the platform.. maybe this makes sense if you're giving out invitations in the city where the convention is, but what if you're many hours away?.

a huge part of western canada is scheduled to attend edmonton alberta this july.

so how does that go over giving out invitations in winnipeg, about a 13 hour drive(that's just driving time).. i know some are actually planning on flying there, so i can't see getting excited about getting the public to make the trek.. i was curious how this is going over in other areas?.

smiddy

These invitations given out for conventions is purely propaganda aimed at the converted to make them think they are acheiving something in their ministry .

The reallity is NOBODY and I mean nobody ever turns up as a result of these invitations.

The same is true when they have a campaign at the local KH inviting the public to a " Special Talk" nobody ever turns up,

That is my experience in 33 years as an active witness.

Edit to add :I apologise their was one couple that I know who came because of an invitation.One couple in all of the 33years in about six congregations I attended .and they never came back because they thought they were going to get handouts from a "christian group"

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Child Abuse Charges Laid Against a High level Catholic Cardinal

by fulltimestudent in

its taken a while for this to happen, but the victorian (australia) police have decided there is sufficient evidence to charge cardinal george pell with multiple sexual abuse charges.. .

pell was once the highest ranking catholic in australia, but once the accusations of child abuse started to surface, he was shipped off to rome where, since 2014 pell has been prefect of the secretariat for the economy, (the vatican’s treasurer).. he is generally seen as no 3 in the world catholic heirarchy.. full story: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jun/29/cardinal-george-pell-charged-with-multiple-sexual-offences?cmp=soc_567.

smiddy

These allegations have been around for a very long time ,with people supporting him and others not supporting him.

I was like ,who do you believe ? I dont know.

however because it has taken soooooo long and now the Victorian police have decided on the evidence they have on him they have decided to charge him with multiple sexual abuse .

It seems very likely their is a very strong case against him

It shall be interesting as he has a high profile in the catholic religion .

We need to keep watching this space.,so to speak.

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Baptismal Formula

by leftbehind in

quick question.

does anybody know what is said during the baptism i.e.

the actual dunking?

smiddy

From my memory the dunkers dont say anything of any worth certainly nothing to do with your being dunked .

It was all said in the Baptismal talk ,lackeys who dunked were just that lackeys.

Welcome to the forum leftbehind I hope to hear more of you on here its a great site to vent or enquire and question.

While we are at it can anybody tell me what the Baptism questions were for the very early 1960`s? compared to what it is today ?

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To kill or not to kill

by Chook in

how many jws would kill a violent rapist in there home or protect their family with lethal means .

the one thing i love about the usa is the right to defend oneself with lethal force in their own home.

it's not that i want to kill someone but better them dead than my children..

smiddy

With the way the Judicial system is being handled here in Victoria Australia.at the present time I`m afraid the perpetrators of a crime seem to have the law on their side.

And the victims are the losers especially where the criminals are given a slap on the wrist ,given probation and are free to commit more crimes and then get another slap on the wrist given bail and are free to commit more crimes.

And they do.

This is no joke this is truly the state of things in Vic Aust at the present time.under a labour Govt.

Their is plenty of talk about correcting this problem but the magistrates keep letting these crims out on the streets.

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Creation account is the creation of Moses

by venus in

the word `intelligence' [from inter, “between” + legere, “ to read”] would mean ‘discern things as though reading in between the lines.

now read in between the lines of what moses wrote; his favored and frequent statement is this: ‘obedience to god means blessings, and disobedience means maledictions.’ (deut 28:1-68; 30:15-18) let us try to discern his motive behind this statement.. .

when moses wanted to present 10 commandments and other laws, he naturally wanted to prepare the israelites with a mind-set that ‘we must obey god, otherwise it is problem for us.’ the best way for this was to modify a well-known story of fall from other cultures.

smiddy

The so called validation of the Christian Gospels is because of the eyewitness accounts of those related to the events that are written to have occured ,by either first hand or second hand witnesses.

We have no such validation of the Creation account only by someone so far removed from the event being more than 2000 years after the event

How reliable would that testimony be in a court of law ?

And their is no previous account that Moses refers to where he basis his knowledge on , in other words we are supposed to believe that jehovah God did not give any human information or knowledge about his creation until 2000 years after he had done so.? Not even to "Noah who found favour in the eyes of the Lord" ?

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Creation account is the creation of Moses

by venus in

the word `intelligence' [from inter, “between” + legere, “ to read”] would mean ‘discern things as though reading in between the lines.

now read in between the lines of what moses wrote; his favored and frequent statement is this: ‘obedience to god means blessings, and disobedience means maledictions.’ (deut 28:1-68; 30:15-18) let us try to discern his motive behind this statement.. .

when moses wanted to present 10 commandments and other laws, he naturally wanted to prepare the israelites with a mind-set that ‘we must obey god, otherwise it is problem for us.’ the best way for this was to modify a well-known story of fall from other cultures.

smiddy

My question is : Why wasnt the creation account written soon after it was supposed to have occured instead of some 2000 years later ?

That beggars belief. when you think about it.Where was god in all this time ? Didnt he have one single person who was a faithfull servant/worshiper in all this time ?

Of course their was no human eye witness to the Creation account ,but surely their were faithfull men other than Abel who could have written about the creation well before 2000 years before Moses came on the scene.?

And if their werent that raises a few more questions doesnt it ? So close to human perfection ?

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My parents found out

by BlackWolf in

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friends

so in my last post i talked about how i had told my younger siblings how i didn't plan to get baptized or ever be a witness.

i thought i could trust them but i guess i was wrong, they're just kids after all.

my oldest brother (who's 11) told on me today.

smiddy

If by faking it only means going to a meeting once or twice a week now and again I would suggest you consider it but not going from D2D ,I`d draw the line their .

But ultimately this has to be your decision and you are the one that has to live with it whatever the outcome so think seriously about the pros and cons of your decision.

If your parents are agreeable to you faking it maybe they too can help you in this regard making excuses etc for you of inquiring (sticky beaks ) minds.

Living with your aunt could be a good outcome ,however you need to weigh up in the balances what problems that could cause in family relationships .

I hope you find a solution that fits all partys here BlackWolf

Take care.