Posts by smiddy

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Speculation? What would Watchtower be now if it had fully embraced the internet / technology 20 years ago

by joe134cd in

this has probably been discussed before so please feel free to include links as well.

so what would wt be now if it had encouraged it's members to use the internet or technology for spreading the good news.

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smiddy

They would have been history , just a smidgen of what they are today.

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If Jehovah is our 'father', he would want humankind to independently govern itself

by fukitol in

all parents want their children to grow up, mature, and become happily independent.

no normal father or parent would ever want to govern and rule over their children forever.. so if jehovah exists and he is a heavenly 'father' to his human progeny, and if we truly are in his image as his children, then humankind was always destined to govern itself.

if you believe in the biblical narrative, jehovah always intended to let go of his human children and let us rule ourselves when we were ready.

smiddy

An interesting plausible theory fukitol, however not without its flaws.

On the one hand you assume the creation account in the Bible is true about Adam and Eve ,Satan , and the challenge presented therein .

On the other hand you reject the Bible account of Christ Jesus thousand year reign ,Armageddon , and apparently all that has happened in between .

Just another case of cherry picking what one wants to believe about the Bible ?

I think your post should have stopped at the end of your first four sentences and not brought the Bible into play at all , then it would have been a more credible argument , especially against JW`s. at the door.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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Have a pretty interesting story to tell.

by Dexter in

i am new to this site, was always told by my elder father if the site accidentally appeared on the comp screen it was satans doing.

anyways, i am 28 y/m who had the unfortunate life of being the last of three kids to be born ins.

my oldest sibling lasted about 8 years before she was d,f.

smiddy

Welcome Dexter , I too look forward to more of your posts.You are fortunate that you have seen the TATT at a relatively young age , many of us have been Captives of A Concept for 10 , 20 ,30 ,40 ,50 years and more

The internet , I believe has been a great help in freeing people up from control groups like the JW`s .

We look forward to people like yourself joining forums like this and sharing your storys

Once again Welcome.

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Catholic Approach to Scripture: How It Made Me Leave the Jehovah's Witnesses

by Hernandez in

indoctrinated into all things watchtower, i once believed the bible was true history, that evolution was false and evil, and that the bible could be trusted to be reliable when it touched on science issues.

then i got introduced to the official catholic bible translation of u.s. catholics, the new american bible revised edition (or nabre--not to be confused with the protestant nasv or new american standard version) and things changed.

i was shocked to learn that the nabre teaches.... the creation and flood stories of genesis are jewish adaptations of mesopotamian heathen creation-flood mythology, not history.

smiddy

Jehovahs Witnesses adopted the name "Jehovah" Catholics gave to the Old Testament God in the 13th Century. Even though they admitted it was not the correct pronunciation in the 1st Edition of the "Aid" book.

The only reason they used it was because of its popularity among christians { Catholics} and protestant churches.

Jehovahs Witnesses belittled Catholics for scaring their flock with the threat of Hell fire.

Jehovahs Witnesses threaten their members with eternal destruction at Armageddon

Jehovahs Witnesses belittled Catholics for their method of obtaining contributions from their flock mainly the collection plate .

Jehovahs Witnesses absolve the congregation from their debt for the Kingdom Hall on the one hand and on the other hand they want them to keep paying the same amount owing for the debt forever ?

The first president of the "Watchtower" organization said they would never solicit for money ,if the money didnt come in voluntarily , then that was God saying the time was up .(words to that effect)

Jehovahs Witnesses even want to take money from childrens pocket money { Caleb & Sophia }

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Disassociation revealed what type of man my father really is.

by Paul Mooney in

i began my exit from the jehovah’s witness organization about 5 years.

i was a 4th generation born-in, with all the baggage that comes with having the “spiritual heritage” attached to the group.

i was an elder/bethelite/pioneer/whatever other useless privilege there was, i had no family or friends outside of the organization… my entire life was that org.

smiddy

Looking at the topic of the OP , I thought here we go again.a son being berated by his father for leaving the "truth" How wrong was I .

I loved this post paul , not only for the love your father has showered on you for the stand you have taken against the religion , but also for identifying the captive environment one partner has against a believing partner , and family and friends , especially when they are elderly and truly feel they have no-where else to go.

I wish you all the best for you and your Dad.

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Jehovah's Witnesses ARE Christians, why do so many ex JW's deny this?

by nicolaou in

jehovah's witnesses accept jesus as christ, the son of god.

they try, in their own way, to live by his teachings and imitate him.

they pray, read the bible and meet together regularly for worship.. i won't minimise any of the harm and damage they cause but for the life of me, i can't see how anyone can credibly deny that they are christians.. why do so many former jws have a problem with this?

smiddy

I apologise for not reading all the previous posts , so if if this has been covered ?

Jehovahs Witnesses are not christians , they do not follow Jesus Christ , they follow Jehovah the God of the Old Testament.

They pretend to be Christians to gain mainstream approval for their beliefs and quote Jesus where it suits them

However , their theocracy is loaded with examples , demonstrations ,dramas at conventions ,experiences ,also at conventions , publications ,such as the Watchtower ,Awake , all have many more examples of Old Testament /Hebrew scripture accounts of being loyal to the worship of Jehovah

How many scriptures in the New Testament /Christian Greek Scriptures say that followers of Jesus Christ are to worship Jehovah or give witness to Jehovah ? ., ,zero ,by my count.

Now look at how many texts in the Christian Greek scriptures say that followers of Jesus Christ are to be witnesses of Jesus , and for him ? ,approx.30 by my count

And that the name of Jesus is above every other name , including Jehovah God. Phil;2:9-11

Which fact Jehovahs Witnesses conveniently like to overlook

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Need some advice Re: JW marking by a family member

by William Penwell in

so anyone that has read some of my posts on here over the years knows i have done the slow fade over the last 30 years.

i do not claim to be a jw and have not being in a kingdum hall now to attend a meeting or convention for religious reasons for almost 15 years.

now i know the discussion on here from this past dc was the rank and file dubs have being pressured to distance themselves away from family members that are no longer active dubs that they deem are not living up to wt bible principals.

smiddy

Thank you for your clarification on your situation W.P. I now appreciate better your OP .

I hope everything works out for you

Take care.

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses view the governing body differently since seeing them on the TV?

by jambon1 in

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friends

i think this may be a bigger issue for the society than we realise.. when you consider that witnesses have now had well over a year of regularly seeing their 'channel to god' with their own eyes, what do you think they're thinking?.

i'm going to put this as respectfully as i can; these men are clearly a bunch of utter clowns who are laughably inadequate to present a tv show, but also, they are now ridiculously discredited due to the absolute shite that they've spoken in these laughable productions.. consider things from a jw's perspective; tony morris, stephen lett & geoffrey jackson are 'the channel' that makes their religion 'special'.

these men are the channel god is using to lead his people in the modern day.

smiddy

You would have to be an imbecile to believe these men were chosen by the Almighty GOD To represent him as the spokespersons for him before the Tribulation and armageddon .

100 + years of flip flops , back flips ,new light - old light , usuing a Catholic monk translation of the name of GOD Jehovah ,even though Yahweh is the more accepted version of his name,

100 + years of Christ jesus rule since 1914 , that hasnt accomplished anything noteworthy ? nothing that couldnt be claimed by any other Christian Religion during that time period.

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Need some advice Re: JW marking by a family member

by William Penwell in

so anyone that has read some of my posts on here over the years knows i have done the slow fade over the last 30 years.

i do not claim to be a jw and have not being in a kingdum hall now to attend a meeting or convention for religious reasons for almost 15 years.

now i know the discussion on here from this past dc was the rank and file dubs have being pressured to distance themselves away from family members that are no longer active dubs that they deem are not living up to wt bible principals.

smiddy

You have done a slow fade for the past 30 years , have not attened a meeting for the past 15 years ?

And you are concerned about what your JW sister thinks of you ?

It sounds to me , WP , that you are a typical person that has left the "truth" however the "truth" has never left you ,

You need to do research and decide for yourself whether JW`s have the truth or not and stop sitting on the fence.

Research information on this site using the search option at the top right hand corner on subjects that relate to the truth.

The time has come for you to make decisions in your life that map out your future ,go for it.

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Requesting a few dozen copies of any edition of Watchtower and/or Awake!

by Pete J in

i need maybe 2-5 dozen copies of any edition of the watchtower or awake!

magazines to distribute to family, friends, and neighbors.

any reasonable condition.

smiddy

Pete J ,

You do know you can be outed for posting on an ex JW site and called into the back room for a JC committee dont you ?

However welcome to the forum and stick around , I gaunrantee you will learn more about the Jehovah`s Witness religion here than you would ever learn at a Kingdom hall .

Think about this : Did Jehovah ever in the 4000 years of his dealings with his chosen people in the Old Testament /Hebrew scriptures , did he ever use the excuse for old light new light for ever changing understangs of previously new light that has now become old light ?

Is their anything that even remotely suggests such a thing in the Christian Greek Scriptures ? Old Light New light ?, that is apparent in the New Testament /Christian greek Scriptures ?

Think about it : What would the Bible look like if the Old Testament /Hebrew Scriptures , New testament Christian Greek Scriptures looked like if that was applied to those early scriptures.

The Bible would be a mess of conflicting contrdicting mish mash if that were the case , think about it.

The Bible record does not contain old light new light examples , it is a ruse that the Governing Body of Jehovahs Witnesses use to excuse their failed prophecys.,predictions ,and expectations of what is to come according to their interpretation of Bible prophecy.