Posts by GoddessRachel

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What's Your Opinion: Is Legal Marriage Important?

by GoddessRachel in

hey everyone,.

so i've been thinking about marriage a lot lately, with same-sex marriages being approved in some states, banned in others, and flip-flopped in still others (see: california).. i recently read an article in my local newspaper about how marriage is a personal and religious union that has no business being in any of our laws, and that the laws should instead be for a legal domestic relationship, to establish and recognize legal families, and that marriage should be altogether separate from that.

i really agreed with all that was said in the article.. i want to get married.

GoddessRachel

Sorry about all the gobblygook - it came from Microsoft Word - I hate that! I don't know how to edit a post... anyone able to help me out?

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Goddess Roll Call: LADIES, Show Your Inner Goddess, Stand Proud Say It Loud!

by GoddessRachel in

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my username is goddessrachel.

because i believe we are all gods and goddesses.

after all aren't we made in god's image?.

GoddessRachel

Sure thing, JD, what kind da ya want?

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What's Your Opinion: Is Legal Marriage Important?

by GoddessRachel in

hey everyone,.

so i've been thinking about marriage a lot lately, with same-sex marriages being approved in some states, banned in others, and flip-flopped in still others (see: california).. i recently read an article in my local newspaper about how marriage is a personal and religious union that has no business being in any of our laws, and that the laws should instead be for a legal domestic relationship, to establish and recognize legal families, and that marriage should be altogether separate from that.

i really agreed with all that was said in the article.. i want to get married.

GoddessRachel

Quirky, thanks for your thought, I basically agree.

Finally-Free, yikes, THANKS for your post, though I'm sorry for your pain and loss. Yours is yet another example of why I don't want to do this until it feels absolutely right to both of us!

I went back through the posts and have a few more thoughts:

Void Eater said: "No religion should be required to marry two people, no religion should be required for two people to marry. "

Well said, Void Eater! I couldn't agree more!

Spook said: "I think any government legislation surrounding marriage should encourage the raising of healthy children."

Spook, I agree wholeheartedly with this statement as well and thought it was worth reposting. You also said this:

"If I ever get married it will be to have children. Any promises I make will revolve around the children, not my wife. People change. I cannot control this, nor would I if I could."

Which I don't completely agree with. Though the welfare of children is always the most important thing, I think to have a successful marriage you must still put your spouse even ahead of the children, not to their harm, but to their benefit. An example would be when one parent is disciplining the children, appropriately not abusively, the other parent should support that and back it up. I might direct you to what YoursChelbie said, which is posted below in this post, as I'm about to agree with it! :-)

Spook, you also said this, I believe: "I think any legislation on the subject should be purely practical and that no religious notions should be enforced by law. I am for paying taxes to help raise children as good citizens. This can be fully incentivised without the need to promote religious morals.

I would like civil family licenses, not civil marriage licenses."

I think that all makes good sense.

Yours Chelbie said: "One thing is A MUST to maintain a long, happy marriage: Absolutely NOTHING can be more important to you than your Marriage: NOT a religion, or an ex-spouse, or a co-worker: Nothing.

Here's a good comparison: A legal marriage is a lot like a buying a house: If you take care of it, work to maintain it in good condition, it will be there for you in your old age. "

YES! YoursChelbie, you are absolutely right! Thank you for your post.

Thank you all for your thoughts,

GoddessRachel

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Goddess Roll Call: LADIES, Show Your Inner Goddess, Stand Proud Say It Loud!

by GoddessRachel in

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friends

my username is goddessrachel.

because i believe we are all gods and goddesses.

after all aren't we made in god's image?.

GoddessRachel

My username is GoddessRachel. I will tell you why:

Because I believe we are all gods and goddesses. After all aren't we made in God's image?

Because I believe We are the ones we've been waiting for. The power is within each one of us.

Because it's incredibly liberating to refer to myself as a goddess after a lifetime of being a "good-for-nothing slave."

Because I can.

Because I am.

Because I work hard to be a better person every day. I strive to appreciate all that I have every day. I tell people when I'm grateful, and I remind myself to focus on the positive instead of the negative.

Now just for fun I directed this to THE LADIES. But Men, feel free to join in!

TO ME, you are all gods and goddesses, so post that you know you are, and tell us why you are a god or goddess!

Who's with me?

x,

Rachel

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What's Your Opinion: Is Legal Marriage Important?

by GoddessRachel in

hey everyone,.

so i've been thinking about marriage a lot lately, with same-sex marriages being approved in some states, banned in others, and flip-flopped in still others (see: california).. i recently read an article in my local newspaper about how marriage is a personal and religious union that has no business being in any of our laws, and that the laws should instead be for a legal domestic relationship, to establish and recognize legal families, and that marriage should be altogether separate from that.

i really agreed with all that was said in the article.. i want to get married.

GoddessRachel

VoidEater, isn't legal marriage and civil marriage the same thing?

Thanks,

Rachel

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disfellowshipped husband banned by inactive dad from house

by looloo in

hi everyone , i have been absent for a year in an attempt to "move on" and have moved areas , have been harrassed by mormons loads in new are a but not a jw in sight !

has there been some new rules come out recentley regarding total shunning disfellowshipped family as my husband has been out now about 14 years and has so far never been banned from the house of his parents , but the other day his inactive dad asked him if he would mind not calling at theirhome anymore as it makes things awkward for his wife and jw children .

husband wanted to know why now after all these years ?

GoddessRachel

looloo, you are right on when you say what strange practices. I echo those who have said your family is a package deal. Do not allow them to manipulate and abuse your family that way!

Mindmelda, go, girl! I love your post, I love your approach, I love how your daughter and children can think for themselves, you are wonderful!

and you are right on too, when you say how silly and obvious it all looks when you take away the "smoke and mirrors" so to say: It's only an illusion, folks, that's it! Don't fall for it!

~Rachel

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What's Your Opinion: Is Legal Marriage Important?

by GoddessRachel in

hey everyone,.

so i've been thinking about marriage a lot lately, with same-sex marriages being approved in some states, banned in others, and flip-flopped in still others (see: california).. i recently read an article in my local newspaper about how marriage is a personal and religious union that has no business being in any of our laws, and that the laws should instead be for a legal domestic relationship, to establish and recognize legal families, and that marriage should be altogether separate from that.

i really agreed with all that was said in the article.. i want to get married.

GoddessRachel

I just had one of those, well, I guess I would say, epiphanies, as to why I struggle so much with marriage.

I posted on another thread (the thread by St. Ann about her son getting married) that my mom is not coming to my wedding, which does not even exist yet. She informed me of this about a year ago, that she would not be attending my wedding but would probably throw me a party after we got married.

I am thrilled that my mom, who is a Jehovah's Witness, would be willing to throw me a party. I am very happy about that, so please don't get me wrong on that point. But what I have come to realize is how even in the face of logic and understanding, in other words even though I know the reasons why she feels she cannot attend my wedding, it still hurts like hell.

My mom planned my last wedding, every detail. I never went through with that one, thankfully (I was only 19, the JW boy was all wrong for me, and me for him). My mom loves doing weddings. And she is good at it. Until I left the JW's she was telling me what my wedding colors were going to be, and showing me table center pieces she had found that would be perfect, which she then stored in her basement. She did my sister's wedding, and my brother's.

So, having a wedding, and getting to plan it with my mom, has always been a given. Until.

Until I realized I couldn't be a part of such a gross religion. Until I realized the religion was literally killing me and made a really hard conscious decision to leave it.

And then it all changed. Now not only is Mom not going to help me plan my wedding, which is something that I was really looking forward to as her daughter (I love my mom so much!) but she will not even be able to attend it!

So why should I even bother getting married? At least for her, which is what I would be doing if I got married right now. Doing it to make my mom happy. Which is basically impossible anyway.

So, that's what I sort of concluded last night. Sorry to sort of vent here; it's just I know you all can understand how hard this stuff is.

Resignedly,

Rachel

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marriage vows...

by lurk3r in

i had a bit of a chin-wag with a freind of mine the other day.

we were talking about the questions that "nobody knows" and as witnesses, you can never get an answer for.

she came up with one i never thought about before so i thought i would share it here.. .

GoddessRachel

Oops I misspelled religion but I think you get the point (how do you edit a post?)

White Dove, I never heard that divine termination verbiage either. Did some Witness weddings say that!? That seems a little creepy...

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marriage vows...

by lurk3r in

i had a bit of a chin-wag with a freind of mine the other day.

we were talking about the questions that "nobody knows" and as witnesses, you can never get an answer for.

she came up with one i never thought about before so i thought i would share it here.. .

GoddessRachel

I think this is a relatively reasonable thought and question to have; my grandma (not a JW) asked me one time how my parents wedding was viewed by the relion as being legitimate, or did they have to get remarried when they converted?

So other people have thought this was a strange discrepancy too.

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Super serious question

by 5thGeneration in

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please no sarcastic crap from mean members.. i had a family member kill herself over being raised by a c.o.

who told her that it ruined their life and that she was a mistake.. i have a 10 page report from a psychiatrist back, who was also a jw, in the eighties that is pretty incredible.. now, i was also born jw with a 100 year "truth" heritage to cause me the same guilt.. and it may be drivng me the same way.

i feel the same way my aunt felt.

GoddessRachel

Is anyone in touch with 5thGeneration? I am really worried.

~Rachel