Posts by rocky

the other day i was discussing the topic of the verse where jesus apparently uses the term i am in reference to himself.. this claim obviously referring to his being god.. i could swear that i have read somewhere that this term ego emi (sp) was used elsewhere in the nt by someone other than jesus.. i am wondering if anyone here would have any information on this topic.. thx in advance..

rocky

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w749/1HowAreGodandChrist“One”?

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NOT

ETERNALLIKEHIS

FATHER

The oneness or unity that Jesus enjoyed with his Father is, of course, far greater and grander than that enjoyed in any human father-and-son relationship. Even before the creation of the physical universe the Father and the Son were “one.”

With reference to his prehuman existence, Jesus said to unbelieving Jews: “Before Abraham ever was, I Am.” (John 8:58, JerusalemBible) Did Jesus thereby identify himself as being Jehovah? Did not God tell Moses, “‘I Am who I Am. This’ he added ‘is what you must say to the sons of Israel: “I Am has sent me to you”’”? (Ex. 3:14, Je) Many translations use the expression “I Am” both at John 8:58 and Exodus 3:14. But do both texts express the same thought?

No. We know that they do not because at Exodus 3:14 the Greek SeptuagintVersion (the translation that was often quoted by the apostles in the first century C.E.) reads, e·go′ei·mi′hoOhn′, “I am the Being.” This is quite different from the simple use of the words e·go′ei·mi′ (I am) at John 8:58. The verb ei·mi′, at John 8:58, is evidently in the historical present, as Jesus was speaking about himself in relation to Abraham’s past. Numerous translators indicate this in their renderings. For example, AnAmericanTranslation reads: “I existed before Abraham was born!”

Jesus’ pointing to his prehuman existence should have come as no surprise to the Jews. Centuries earlier, Micah’s prophecy said of the Messiah: “You, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, the one too little to get to be among the thousands of Judah, from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel, whose origin is from early times, from the days of time indefinite.” (Mic. 5:2) Thus while Jesus existed long before Abraham, he is not without beginning. Unlike his Father, who is “from time indefinite to time indefinite,” the Son is spoken of as having “origin.”—Ps. 90:2.

The very fact that Jesus is called the “Son of God” reveals that he was produced by the Father and is, therefore, his firstborn and only-begotten Son. Jesus himself said: “I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57) After having come into existence, the Son was used in creating everything. (John 1:1-3; Col. 1:15-17; Heb. 1:2) As firstborn Son, this one enjoyed a special intimacy with the Father. He is spoken of in Scripture as being “in the bosom position with the Father.”—John 1:18.

So perfectly did Jesus reflect the image—the personality and ways—of his Father that he could say to Philip: “He that has seen me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9) That is why one can come to know God only through the Son. As Jesus put it: “All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and who the Son is no one knows but the Father; and who the Father is, no one knows but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.”—Luke 10:22.

What a grand oneness exists between Jehovah God and his firstborn Son! They are always “one” in purpose and activity. But, as the Scriptures clearly show, they are not equal. The Son always acknowledges his Father’s superior position, subjecting himself to his Father as his God and delighting in doing his Father’s will. “He that sent me,” said Jesus, “is with me; he did not abandon me to myself, because I always do the things pleasing to him.” (John 8:29; 1 Cor. 11:3) Thus Jesus truly is, not ‘God the Son’ or the “second person” of a triune God, but the “Son of God.”—John 20:31.

[Footnotes]

This rendering is in harmony with the lexicons of Brown-Driver-Briggs, Koehler-Baumgartner and Gesenius.

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NOAH'S SON BITH: Was he Df'd or did he just "miss the boat"?

by cameo-d in

really, folks...if noah lived to be 950 years old, does it stand to reason that he would only have 3 children????.

in irish mythology, cessair (or ceasair) was the leader of the first inhabitants of ireland before the biblicalflood, in what may be a christianisation of a legend that pre-dates the conversion, but may alternatively be the product of post-conversion pseudohistory.. she was daughter of noah's son bith and his wife birren.

according to legend, when her father was denied a place in the ark by noah, cessair advised him to build an idol.

rocky

The Muslims also believe in another son (no name known I thought) and he did not went into the arc so he died according to the quoran.
Still the story about what the first poster told me is new to me.

I have some extra WTlibr. 2008 languages to give but like to get some more

by rocky in

hello i can supply you if you like:.

russian 2008 romanian 2008 hungarian 2008 czech 2007 .

so please send me a private mail on this forum then i can send you the wished link(s)if you want it ask me the link(s) and please if you can offer me for this also some other versions let me know it.... i like to get french version 2008, portuges 2008 and maybe if exists like:.

rocky

Hello I can supply you if you like:

Russian 2008 Romanian 2008 Hungarian 2008 Czech 2007 So please send me a private mail on this forum then I can send you the wished link(s)

If you want it ask me the link(s) and please if you can offer me for this also some other versions let me know it...
I like to get French version 2008, Portuges 2008 and maybe if exists like:

Arabic, Turkish Persian (Farsi) Chinese, Denmark language.... or others if you have ...

I already have Dutch German Italian Spanish Polish and Finnish (Suomi) and the other ones mentioned above... so you can also have links for the ones I already have...

I hear you?

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2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

by yknot in

okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

is it going to be a dl or cd?.

rocky

To get English 2008 version you also can use the next link (a rar file: open with winrar):

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=P37EU38C

Rocky

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Watchtower Library 2008 (English) question

by exmocan in

has the watchtower libary 2008 cd been released in english yet?

if so, what changes are there, if any?.

exmocan.

rocky

Look at:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/169948/2/2008-WT-Library-Question-1st-JWN-posting-too

The last post is a link of it in a GI file... hope you succees in open and extract it....

Rocky

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2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

by yknot in

okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

is it going to be a dl or cd?.

rocky

OK here is a new link for Italian version 2008:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0ZWSUIZ4

I hope in near future a new item in forum will be openend:

Watchtower library in different languages so to go there to look if someone post a topic in the language you want to get....
then maybe more languages will become available for different users in the countries that visit this site..
So more users can post a version to set it available for other users... everybody will be glad then only the Watchtower organisation will not be pleased I think.....!!!

Rocky

Req. WT pdf from march or april

by rocky in

someone has already a pdf of it from study and/or public wt of march and/or april?.

i hope it will be readable in pdf if you have/make it..... .

it would be wonderful if you have km of april and scan that as well...... .

rocky

Someone has already a pdf of it from study and/or public wt of March and/or April?
I hope it will be readable in PDF if you have/make it....

It would be wonderful if you have KM of april and scan that as well.....

Thanx anyway for the efforts.

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2008 WT Library Question (1st JWN posting too!)

by yknot in

okay, i haven't been really paying attention to all the letters read to the congregation in the last two month.. this week it was some stupid announcement about mandarin chinese and the keep book being mp3 audio-ed on jw.org (if a publisher is computer illiterate, a cd can be ordered from the organization-but a brother who is tech savvy should offer to burn one instead of incurring cost to the slave).. then i realize i haven't heard squat about the 2008 wt library (cd or dl?)..

so i just checked my 07 wtcd and we have daily texts until the week of march 5, 2009 feb 26, 2009.. does anyone have any info on the 2008 wt library?.

is it going to be a dl or cd?.

rocky

Thanks to a wonderful member here I can post his link for it now (he agreed to make his link known by me);
All credits go to him who made the link and let us share it ....
http://www.box.net/shared/y1pzaaqstc

it is a gi file you can use Isobuster to open en extract it... maybe other programs are also usefull to extract it to your HD.

Rocky