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  WT Library 2011

  by Haelcer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new watchtower library 2011 in english is available here:.

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  http://www.filestube.com/46b7d96d595f742503eb/go.html.

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  WT Library 2011

  by Haelcer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new watchtower library 2011 in english is available here:.

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  http://www.filestube.com/46b7d96d595f742503eb/go.html.

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  Watchtower claims Armageddon will come when US is no longer a World Power

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just when i thought the wash towel was done trying to interpret the book of revelations, i came across this from paragraph 16 on the last page of the march 15, 2011 watchtower.... .

  the urgency of the times we live in is underscored when we consider the inspired prophecy at revelation 17:10. the seventh king, the anglo-american world power, has come into existence.

  concerning it we read: when he [the seventh world power] does arrive he must remain a short while.

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  rocky

  dpchap.10p.179par.30WhoCanStandAgainstthePrinceofPrinces?

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  The Anglo-American World Power still holds its position. “But it will be without hand that he will be broken,” said the angel Gabriel. (Daniel 8:25) Very soon, this seventh world power of Bible prophecy—this “king fierce in countenance”—will be broken, not by human hands, but by superhuman power at Armageddon. (Daniel 2:44; Revelation 16:14, 16) How thrilling it is to know that the sovereignty of Jehovah God, the Prince of princes, will then be vindicated!

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  rechap.35pp.253-254ExecutingBabylontheGreat

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  Why

  CalledanEighth

  King?

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  The angel further explains to John: “Andthewildbeastthatwasbutisnot,itisalsoitselfaneighthking,butspringsfromtheseven,anditgoesoffintodestruction.”(Revelation17:11) The symbolic scarlet-colored wild beast “springs from” the seven heads; that is, it is born from, or owes its existence to, those heads of the original “wild beast . . . out of the sea,” of which the scarlet-colored wild beast is an image. In what way? Well, in 1919 the Anglo-American power was the ascendant head. The previous six heads had fallen, and the position of dominant world power had passed to this dual head and was now centered in it. This seventh head, as the current representative of the line of world powers, was the moving force in establishing the League of Nations and is still the major promoter and financial support of the United Nations. Thus, in symbol, the scarlet-colored wild beast—the eighth king—“springs from” the original seven heads. Viewed in this way, the statement that it sprang from the seven harmonizes well with the earlier revelation that the wild beast with two horns like a lamb (the Anglo-American World Power, the seventh head of that original wild beast) urged the making of the image and gave it life.—Revelation 13:1, 11, 14, 15.

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  Additionally, original members of the League of Nations included, along with Great Britain, governments that ruled in the seats of some of the previous heads, namely Greece, Iran (Persia), and Italy (Rome). Eventually, governments ruling the territory controlled by the previous six world powers came to be supportive members of the image of the wild beast. In this sense, too, it could be said that this scarlet-colored wild beast sprang from the seven world powers.

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  Notice that the scarlet-colored wild beast “is also itself an eighth king.” Thus, the United Nations today is designed to look like a world government. At times it has even acted like one, sending armies into the field to resolve international disputes, as in Korea, the Sinai Peninsula, some African countries, and Lebanon. But it is only the image of a king. Like a religious image, it has no real influence or power apart from what is invested in it by those who brought it into existence and worship it. On occasion, this symbolic wild beast looks weak; but it has never experienced the kind of wholesale abandonment by dictator-oriented members that sent the League of Nations reeling into the abyss. (Revelation 17:8) Though holding radically different opinions in other areas, a prominent leader of the former Soviet Union in 1987 joined the popes of Rome in expressing support for the UN. He even called for “a comprehensive system of international security” based on the UN. As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”

  As the UN is mentioned as the 8th king... that will (also) be destroyed... it seems there will be not a real 8th worldpower... it is only look like a 8th power... so the seventh power will be destroyed just like the king of the North (Dan 11:45)

  (Daniel

  11:45) And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.
  
  So NO new worldpower will come if JW tell the true thing...

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  rechap.35pp.253-254ExecutingBabylontheGreat

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  Why

  CalledanEighth

  King?

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  The angel further explains to John: “Andthewildbeastthatwasbutisnot,itisalsoitselfaneighthking,butspringsfromtheseven,anditgoesoffintodestruction.”(Revelation17:11) The symbolic scarlet-colored wild beast “springs from” the seven heads; that is, it is born from, or owes its existence to, those heads of the original “wild beast . . . out of the sea,” of which the scarlet-colored wild beast is an image. In what way? Well, in 1919 the Anglo-American power was the ascendant head. The previous six heads had fallen, and the position of dominant world power had passed to this dual head and was now centered in it. This seventh head, as the current representative of the line of world powers, was the moving force in establishing the League of Nations and is still the major promoter and financial support of the United Nations. Thus, in symbol, the scarlet-colored wild beast—the eighth king—“springs from” the original seven heads. Viewed in this way, the statement that it sprang from the seven harmonizes well with the earlier revelation that the wild beast with two horns like a lamb (the Anglo-American World Power, the seventh head of that original wild beast) urged the making of the image and gave it life.—Revelation 13:1, 11, 14, 15.

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  Additionally, original members of the League of Nations included, along with Great Britain, governments that ruled in the seats of some of the previous heads, namely Greece, Iran (Persia), and Italy (Rome). Eventually, governments ruling the territory controlled by the previous six world powers came to be supportive members of the image of the wild beast. In this sense, too, it could be said that this scarlet-colored wild beast sprang from the seven world powers.

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  Notice that the scarlet-colored wild beast “is also itself an eighth king.” Thus, the United Nations today is designed to look like a world government. At times it has even acted like one, sending armies into the field to resolve international disputes, as in Korea, the Sinai Peninsula, some African countries, and Lebanon. But it is only the image of a king. Like a religious image, it has no real influence or power apart from what is invested in it by those who brought it into existence and worship it. On occasion, this symbolic wild beast looks weak; but it has never experienced the kind of wholesale abandonment by dictator-oriented members that sent the League of Nations reeling into the abyss. (Revelation 17:8) Though holding radically different opinions in other areas, a prominent leader of the former Soviet Union in 1987 joined the popes of Rome in expressing support for the UN. He even called for “a comprehensive system of international security” based on the UN. As John soon learns, the time will come when the UN will act with considerable authority. Then it, in its turn, “goes off into destruction.”

  As the UN is mentioned as the 8th king... that will (also) be destroyed... it seems there will be not a real 8th worldpower... it is only look like a 8th power... so the seventh power will be destroyed just like the king of the North (Dan 11:45)

  (Daniel

  11:45) And he will plant his palatial tents between [the] grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will have to come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him.
  
  So NO new worldpower will come if JW tell the true thing...
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  Missing references in CD

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  another thread asked regarding references that have fallen from the wt cd and i recalled an interesting example that i recognized years ago.

  when the first cd came out i and an elder looked up romans 2:16 and found at least 2 articles, maybe 3, that used the passage to say that some nonjws might be saved at armagedon if they acted conscienciously and had limited knowledge of the wt message.

  both were 70's awakes if i remember right.

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  rocky

  I have an ISO of the WTL 1997 and runs on Windows xp without problem... but that is not the first version... someone has an ISO of the first version (I think 1993 it was?)???

  in the 1997 version there is only one reference to an awake in 1978 ... just the same one as in the 2009 also is mentioned...

  SO if someone has the data/file/ISO / rar file of the FIRST wtl... pls let me know were to d/l it and I will look if I can find out...
  I also have windows 98 version and windows 95 if I need to install that old system to use the oldes WTL 93 (english) ... so pls. let me know were to d/l the 93 version... thanx
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  W.W.W. links about JW

  by MacHislopp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1) http://www.freeminds.org/foreign/francais.htm.

  2) http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/index.html.

  3) http://www.microtec.net/mleblank/occulte/demasquons.html.

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  Thanx for it ... maybe someone can help me getting the French Watchtower library 2009??
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  Proverbs 26:4-5 ... I'm confused.

  by darkl1ght3r in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  (proverbs 26:4-5)4 do not answer anyone stupid according to his foolishness, that you yourself also may not become equal to him.

  5 answer someone stupid according to his foolishness, that he may not become someone wise in his own eyes.. so which is it?

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  it-1p.846Fool

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  Answering a fool in harmony with or “according to his foolishness” in the sense of resorting to his degrading methods of argument puts the one so doing in agreement with the fool’s unsound reasonings or ways. In order not to become like the fool in this respect, we are counseled by the proverb: “Do not answer anyone stupid according to his foolishness.” On the other hand, Proverbs 26:4, 5 shows that answering him “according to his foolishness” in the sense of analyzing his contentions, exposing them as being ridiculous, and showing that his own arguments lead to entirely different conclusions from those he has drawn can be beneficial

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  There is no contradiction here. Rather, the verses simply contrast the right and the wrong ways to answer a stupid person. Verse four gives instruction not to answer a stupid person in harmony with his foolishness in the sense of resorting to his degrading methods of argument—ridicule, attacks on personalities, loud boisterous talk, fits of rage, and so forth. One would thereby show oneself to be on the same level as the stupid one, and that is what the latter part of verse four warns against. So, it is the second part of the verse that indicates how the first part is to be understood.—Compare Proverbs 20:3; 29:11.

  On the other hand, it would be proper to answer the stupid one “according to his foolishness” in the sense of analyzing his contentions, exposing them as being ridiculous. Showing that his arguments lead to entirely different conclusions from those he has drawn would be deterrent to his continuance in his stupid way. It should serve as a reproof and a rebuke. He should not feel so wise. Enforcing the consequences of a foolish argument, that is, demonstrating the absurdity and undesirability to which that viewpoint leads, is one of the best ways of dealing with such an argument.

  For example, someone who wishes to ridicule the Bible may hold that the evolution theory makes the Bible out of date, or that the Bible consists merely of fables for the ignorant. In this case, rather than to appeal directly to the Scriptures, the believer in creation could present arguments such as are found in the book DidManGetHerebyEvolutionorbyCreation? which take the beliefs, theories and statements of persons who will not accept the Bible’s testimony and point out the insurmountable difficulties that evolution presents to its believers in explaining the existence of matter, life, and so forth.

  There is also another sense in which the Christian should not answer according to the foolishness of the stupid one. He should avoid empty, high-sounding phrases. He should speak, “not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by the spirit, as we combine spiritual matters with spiritual words.” Therefore, when a Christian is before those who are versed in the wisdom of this world he should not be fearful or hesitant, because men relying on such wisdom are stupid, foolish in God’s eyes. He should not try to adopt their manner of speaking, nor their language, even though it may sound very polished and erudite. He should use the spiritual words of the Bible, the simple, plain truths, relying on God to open the hearts of those who may possibly listen and be moved by these words of real wisdom. Paul followed this course when in the presence of such worldly-wise men in the city of Corinth.—1 Cor. 2:1-5, 13.

  The Hebrew word kesil′, used for “stupid” one at Proverbs 26:4, 5, carries with it the notion of impiety, ungodliness or insolence (in a religious way). The term does not necessarily refer to an ignorant person, but rather to moral stupidity, lack of understanding and wisdom. It is failure to use one’s mental faculties in a proper way, especially in matters pertaining to spiritual things.—Compare Psalm 14:1.

  Men who rely on the wisdom of this world are not spiritual, but are fleshly in their viewpoint. The Bible plainly says that they are stupid. Not that they are ignorant; they are sophisticated. But what they are doing puts them on a collision course with God.—1 Cor. 2:14.
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  Watchtower Library 2009 is available to download in multi languages

  by Fabricio in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower library 2009 is available for download in english and spanish on this site: www.watchtowerlibrary.blogspot.com.. soon also in portuguese, and maybe in french e germany..

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  OK....

  Maybe our friend processor does not want/ like that I placed his link of the German Libr. in this topic??? So Pls ask him in a Private Message for a new working link... if not I will send it up to a downloadsite like Rapidshare or megaupload... The Portugese link I do not now how long it could/would be working... I only can upload it ... or you should wait for a new link on www.watchtowerlibrary.blogspot.com
  
  Sorry I could not react earlier today I was almost gone away for the whole day.... When uploaded for German and/or Portugese version I send here a new link for you people...
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  Watchtower Library 2009 is available to download in multi languages

  by Fabricio in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower library 2009 is available for download in english and spanish on this site: www.watchtowerlibrary.blogspot.com.. soon also in portuguese, and maybe in french e germany..

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  LINKS for it.... in 6 languages so far:
  The French one last year cd 2008) had some protection... I do not have the 2009 version yet... I got rid/lost (protection) with help of a slysoft proggy... called clonecd... I think they use again copyprotection for the French version... maybe more langages will follow.. so far the 6 ones below do NOT use copyprotection so it looks....

  Dutch 2009:

  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KQA4TR7R

  German 2009:

  http://prozessor.bplaced.net/lib/wlib09_d.rar

  Portugese 2009: http://www.4shared.com/dir/27292899/4b2870c6/sharing.html English: http://www.4shared.com/dir/27292899/4b2870c6/sharing.html Polish: http://rapidshare.com/files/329360780/WTLIB09P.part1.rar
  http://rapidshare.com/files/329360787/WTLIB09P.part2.rar
  http://rapidshare.com/files/329374670/WTLIB09P.part3.rar Spanish: http://hotfile.com/dl/24847854/bb01786/Watchtower_Library_2009_Espanol.zip.html
  
  If someone here got still more/other 2009 versions please feel free to post links to it here...
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  as a JW were you comfortable with this question?

  by highdose in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a few times in the ministry i would find someone clued in who would ask the jw on their doorstep " so what your saying is, unless i join your religon god will kill me?

  and everyone else who isn't part of your religon?

  " now theres only one answer to that question as far as jw's are concerned but i never saw a single one answer that with a straight answer, mostly i suspect because they were so uncomfortable about being made to face the truth about their beliefs..

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  When you do not join them they think you have a great chance of being destroyed yes....
  because you did not support them / their religion which is the one and only true religion they think (mt. 25:34-46). All other (false) religion will be destroyed as revelation shows us that (babylon the great).... (chapter 17)...
  
  Only a minority would be saved as a non JW.... like the man on a(n) other stake/cross... Lu 23:43
  and also many who had no chance of knowing the truth but with a good hart... (acts 24:15)... of course the Jewish people who acted correct like the profets... before christ came... in the ancient past...
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  Who is the "Lord of Lords"?

  by Chalam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i ran across this before but i think it is worth mentioning in its own thread.. i will quote the nwt for extra effect!.

  nwt deuteronomy 10:17. for jehovah your god is the god of gods and the lord of lords, the god great, mighty and fear-inspiring, who treats none with partiality nor accepts a bribe, .

  nwt psalms 136:1-3. give thanks to jehovah, o you people, for he is good:.

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  rocky

  Well Chalam.....

  Nice point you tell us here... but sometimes I get a little tired of answering again to same (points or kind of) questions.... sorry to say so..
  Look to my posts on: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/174505/1/NT-ho-theos-and-John-8-58

  Then you find some answers to John 10:30 and 14:8,9
  
  I answer here LIKE a JW but (still not am again) (not) one of them..... so far... hope elders might be not as hard as a rock to me all the time...
  I now live like a JW still DF so far.... now about 1,25 year...

  Rocky