Posts by writetoknow

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Jehovahs or Yawehs name ,JW's got it right?

by wozadummy in

ok i'll admit i just posted this to get rid of obve topic being stuck on the first page....but while i'm here i have'nt seen an explanation given here for whether the jw's are correct in putting gods name back into the old testament.. i just thought some here could voice their opinions on this for the benefit of new ones reading topics on this site.. as for me ,it does puzzle me as to why all versions of the old testament don't have it in all 6000 odd places ,seems to me people here could be seen as ignoring the hard questions if good reasons are'nt given to oppose the standard jw stand ,if indeed that needs to be done?

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writetoknow

There is no doubt the word Jehovah is found throughout the history of man. As the name of Jesus is as well. But those are name put into english and that information is there for anyone to read if they want that information.

Honoring ones name is not just saying it or repeating it often it about living what the name stands for and some of the qualities God's name stands for is intregrity and honesty.

The exact pronouncation is not know even Jehovah's Witnesses stated that in all their publications. As far as them as a group living up to the name of God that has become evident without a person saying anymore regarding that subject. Their fruits show a lack of intregrity and honesty is know world wide. Their harsh treatment of other is anything but what God's names stands for.

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Jehovahs or Yawehs name ,JW's got it right?

by wozadummy in

ok i'll admit i just posted this to get rid of obve topic being stuck on the first page....but while i'm here i have'nt seen an explanation given here for whether the jw's are correct in putting gods name back into the old testament.. i just thought some here could voice their opinions on this for the benefit of new ones reading topics on this site.. as for me ,it does puzzle me as to why all versions of the old testament don't have it in all 6000 odd places ,seems to me people here could be seen as ignoring the hard questions if good reasons are'nt given to oppose the standard jw stand ,if indeed that needs to be done?

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writetoknow

And I thought all this time that God's name Jehovah was pronounce into english " Governing Body Watchtower and Bible Track Society" - has something changed?

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Jehovahs or Yawehs name ,JW's got it right?

by wozadummy in

ok i'll admit i just posted this to get rid of obve topic being stuck on the first page....but while i'm here i have'nt seen an explanation given here for whether the jw's are correct in putting gods name back into the old testament.. i just thought some here could voice their opinions on this for the benefit of new ones reading topics on this site.. as for me ,it does puzzle me as to why all versions of the old testament don't have it in all 6000 odd places ,seems to me people here could be seen as ignoring the hard questions if good reasons are'nt given to oppose the standard jw stand ,if indeed that needs to be done?

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writetoknow

The house of cards! If you remove one they all come tumbling down. There nothing amazing about people supporting a position right or wrong it about supporting the group. When you claim truth and your the only real place on earth God approves it a little hard to back away from a postion without shaking peoples faith.

What does an honest person do with all this wrangling over the bilble? Who cares! More bibles, more scholars, better educated, more facts = more confusion.

A thinking person would have to conclude that Babylon is alive and well and it take a supernatural act of God to bring people out of confusion or those studying the bible to prove every little detail is perfect have no faith. and live in fear of being proved wrong and looking foolish for Christ.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

WOW! you summed it up very nice. What you stated is factual - however, for those that have been JW's witnesses it is a very painful process. Many have thought they acted out of faith and then were deceived by God.

Because it is drilled into them not to question and all bible answer come through the GB and for the most part those answers to their questions are concrete, in that, if they disagreed with them a person can be disfellowship they learn fear of God not love for God.

Preconcieved ideas doctrinally are hard to get over. Witnessess often talk about how they cannot understand a person of another faith when the facts are presented to them they can't understand them. They imply the person is wicked and they are knowingly rejecting the truth.

However, ex-witnessed find themselves in the same position for the most part they cannot entertain another way of knowing God. Or that God has not mislead them and if they act out of faith and let God spirit teach them they will come to a correct understanding and love for Him.

Absolute is the standard they judge all biblical teachings by, they do not want to be judged by it, but they want all others to meet it or their in false religion. The fear of being mislead is so strong that it's almost impossible for them to trust any biblical teachings. To talk about trust is fear to most of them. Of course God is love and He promises all of us if we really want to know Him he will helps us. And even if we are mislead He will help us. It is that desire to understand and worship Him that moves Him to act for us. In fact, He has done that for those that are ex-witnesses they just do believe it or understand God is faithful and has gotten them out of a dark organzation and it is an answer too their prayers for help.

The problem is they want another organization to takes up where the Watch Tower left off. However, none of them meet the high standards so they are left believing there is no truth based on their standards.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

I don't believe God can be restrict by man in any means. The bible is a wonderful book and I find it a source of strengthen and encouragement. Some of the most wonderful thoughts ever written are within it's pages.

Man imagine they can restrict God through doctrine. Doctrine is security blanket for those who want an concrete answer for the spirit. They want to define every movement of God Holy Spirit in physical human terms so they can come up with a work to gain eternal life.

Without faith you cannot please God - faith is the key to having a relationship with God and moving Him to act in our lives. Try if you may faith cannot be put into a concrete box. The act of faith record in the bible are examples of God love for people of faith. That is why David and many other people within the written word did things deserving of death and God through their faith made a away out for them

A person that wants physcial law says of those acts of faith; this is how God works and if I don't do this or if I do this God must act this way or that way.

Those that have God Spirit their faith is strengthen not by just the written word but the Word of God Jesus Christ the perfecter of their faith. They daily walk with God teaches them that they can trust Him in all things. Because people take the bible and twist and use it to promote their personal agenda does not change their trust in God. That is something that has been proven to them daily and those that know what I am stating here know that He is faithful and He never leaves us alone.

He proves Himself faithful in the smallest of acts. The prophets did not know God through His written word they knew Him personally through their daily communication with Him. Those are the stories you are reading in the bible not the other way around the bible forming the prophets.

That is why Jesus told those listening that they think they honor the prophets but they would be or are the ones that killed them. Why? because their view of the prophets did not fit into the written word according to their understanding of that word.

And that is why those that have left the orgainzation have nothing because of the concrete word of fact, bible laws - they were taught has been destroyed their house was not built upon the Rock-mass Christ the Word of God. The colapse has been so great they cannot rebuild the house based on works of law.

So they have love or hate left for God? Until they forgive God and themselves and those that mislead them as Chirst did on the stake their will be know understanding of God. Until they trust God and wait on Him to answer all questions in His time their can be no house of faith built by God - not man. Until they can rest in Him and stop their own works of self-justication through the Law there is no peace or rest for them.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

when all I had to do was pick up the damn phone and CALL YOU with a straight forward message.

You sound upset at the bible, God, or me or all of the above?

I didn't state God was ambiguous! What does the word anbiguous mean: having an obsure or double meaning difficult to classify.

That the would fit Jesus perfectly when he walked the earth he spoke in parables and there were a number sacred secerts in the writing and much to all of are disappointment it was hidden for certain groups of people.

Now if we are to assume that is the bible or the writings/letters put together into a bible/book is the WORD OF GOD, that its not Christ as the written word states that it is Christ he is the living Word of God then it is not hidden at all the bible is the largest publized book in the world today and has been for many years.

And with a little help dispite what the witnesses teach people can understand the bible (without their help) and see the contradiction. And that is why there are thousands of religions and different opinion within every religion over the interpretation of verses.

As the witnesses teach the written word is frozen Holy Spirit and as you read it you understand God. The bible teaches without God's Holy Spirit you cannot understand Christ the Word or the written word it will be confusing and full of contradictions.

As it is written: God has given them a spirit of stupidity eyes that do not see and ears that do not hear to this very day. Rom: 11:8

'For this reason I speak to them in parables, because they listen and neither hear nor understand.' Matt.13:13.

Physcial people that are without God's Spirit are rule and law lovers everthing written must be in concrete perfect law. Sadly, The same was true at Christ time and the very things they were seeking did not appear in Christ his actions and teachings contradicted the Law and so they killed him and discredited him.

Christ own appostle could not fully understand his words until he was ressurected and the Holy Spirit was poured out. Then we have disciples that were transformed into people of great faith lead by God's Spirit to write their thoughts about the Word of God Christ.

Nicodemus a teacher of the Law could not understand Christ and what he was talking about; Christ stated to him the wind blows where it wants you can neither see it or understand where it comes from. You must be born again.

You have all these JW's ex or otherwise thinking they understand the bible like a law book then they find out the people running things didn't tell them the truth and their law book falls apart. What they fail to understand is the book the bible/letters is about faith that was to lead them to Christ and the Holy Spirit was to teach them the deeper things of Christ and perform many other function to make them a new creation. Being made new under laws was a physical self ability to will oneself to obeying the Law. Under the Holy Spirit it was a gift from God and the help to over come problems so they could understand the new law the law of love. God love them while they were yet sinners love is above Law that demands justice. Love is spiritual not a physcial things and you cannot understand God without Love a love from above. No more then a child can understand a parent they never see or hear from but read about the parent in a book that most everyone puts down.

A person with God Spirit is His temple it more then a damn telephone call as you state. Moreover, if we were God I am certain things would be black and white and that is the whole point isn't it worshiping men and demanding answers really don't work with God or the society or man it is love that endears oneself to others not law.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

The Bible was written intentionally ambigious and insufficient

So that we would turn to God and trust Him instead of men

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

Well I don't, we are all taught by someone or something the history of biblical teachings has ran in that vein for thousands of years. Those in power want iron clad answers to control the masses as we can witness in our own constitution.

I do believe the bible is a wonderful outline of acts of faith, faith that contradict other acts of faith.. I think it took great intellgency and forsight to write it the way that it is to test out hearts and that it does very well.

For every subject on earth there are people that will take a stand on both sides no matter how unreasonable that stand might seem to me or someone else. The bible is certainly in that catagory. The words of the bible were meant to be a starter and an encouragement the seed sown by the Holy Spirit was the producer of something new the new personality not the one under Law. it is a starter a reminder of a deeper relationship that the Holy Spirit would lead a person into with God. Before the bible was in written form it was shared in word or sometime letters. There was a respect for person that had God Spirit upon them because that is the way the Word/Christ would convey Gods thoughts to His Children

The real issue was receiving Gods Holy Spirit that seed sown into the heart of a new believer would grow into something? That something was totally new a new creation. That implies something not of this earth but new. It was an uncorrupted seed sown into a corruptable person, by that sowning the person received gifts of the spirit and one of those gifts was faith.

The Word of God was not the bible but Christ. The appostle or no one you can fine in the New testment thought that the writing of the apostle were the Word of God they knew who he was and had commune with him on earth and by spirit in heaven. Thats how they could test the spirit and let Christ lead them and teach them all things for this life and the one to come.

No one was to be their teacher but the Holy Spirit they were all brothers of equal standing. Some had different gifts to add to the whole or the body. For that reason Christ could state that they would never be alone. If they were lock up in prison or on some Island they need not a bible or another brother or sister in Christ they would be keep up with the growth of the body along with the rest of its members. By God Holy Spirit leading them into all understanding because the fullness of the Christ was not knowlege it was love leaning the many facet of God's personality working through the body into the fullness of the Christ.

This work was not physcial and seen by human eyes it unseen and foolish to wise and intellectual person of this world. Without God Spirit the bible simply a book of law. A book of law that maginfies the weakness of other and our own. It is the Spirit that is greater because it is the Spirit that helps one to understand they are forgiven when they fall short. It is the Spirt that comforts when we are weak and cleanses us from our sin daily. It was that Spirit after Christ was rised that strengthen the weak and fearful apostle in the upper room and gave them faith to die for their beliefs.

This is why those lead by the spirit are free they are not bound by the physcial laws that condemn a person to death and they are not judge by those laws they are judge by the law of a free people. The witnesses set a limit on who could receive God's Spirit. What is left is mundane what Christ left behind! Thus, they have never recieved the real glory of God the fulfillment of all the promises of God.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

Some people on this earth were told they are a sinner and believed that was true by simply knowing their own nature and experiences in life and put faith in God and have great faith. God can act before an abundance of knowledge is there.

Moreover, knowledge can also destroy faith if it is not in veiw of knowing God to please Him. That is, if a person was looking for reason to fault you and took every negative thing they could find about you - most likely you would not open up too that person. However, because God is love He often reveals Himself to those that hate him and forgives them for doing so.

Once again proving that point; isn't that what this site is about people who's knowledge of God has destroy their faith? Knowledge is what JW's worship not God. Furthermore, the defination for knowing God to a JW is never being wrong. Moreover, that is motivated by fear and insecurity. And that lack of trust is why black and white absolutes appeal to them in the first place. Once their knowledge destroy's their faith in the GB what is left? More knowledge to destroy there faith in everything! But they are still looking for that secure place to hid in for protection from every having to take a chance - and God forbid being wrong again.

Some people actual came into the organzation through faith and when it was shown to them that it was wrong their faith grew in God. For within His written word they found the rest of the story about the things they were to suffer and were unable to bear at the time.

Because love cannot intellectually be proven in dry fact; thus, there is no logical reason to love, that is, love means being open to hurt and lose and risk. Then all the knowledge in the world will not cause a person to love God or know Him. In fact, a person can have spiritual gifts and knowledge and whatever else, but if they do not have love they cannot know God. Eventhough this is a fact of the bible people still try to explain God they don't personally know by intellect.

Couple go through this all the time they want a perfect mate to the test and test and test the other person until they walk away. Usually, they say something to the affect that I am tried of this and if you don't trust me by now I am out of here.

It is an insult to a person that is doing their best not to be trusted. What a person wants that has no faith is a perfect mate and an answer to every problem before it occurs. Love says problems are welcome because it is the person effort in trying to do the right thing that counts rather it be my way or not. And if we love some one we trust that they may come up with a newer better way to solve a problem then us. In fact, problem solveing make us grow and creates new ways of seeing and doing things. Religion wants to solve all problems according to doctrine. God puts trust and faith into His children to find new way of overcoming life problems thus testifying to His love.

So knock yourself out trying to pin it all down, but as soon as there is another human being that loves God there will be a new way God will deal with that person and their faith. And that is why it was written if we could write all the things Christ "did" the world itself could not contain them.

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How accurate can the Bible really be?

by Snoozy in

how accurate can the bible really be?

i am losing faith that it is accurate at all.. according to an article i read in our paper today they are now saying in translation there are no english words to match every word...so the scripture that say "peace on earth and goodwill towards all men " should really be " peace on earth to all men of goodwill ".. now if they can screw something that simple up..what else in the bible have they screwed up?.

snoozy....

writetoknow

Thanks for the comments. The imformation about Christ birth can be explained but it won't give a person faith or trust in God or His word. Trust does require evidence, evidence for a Christian is God's Holy Spirit which is not visible to the human eye so the evidence you require can't be had by demand.

God Holy Spirit is a gift that cannot be demand or received from intellect it is a gift given when a person humbles their self and ask God for forgiveness and is willing to submit to God's direction. God cannot be seen by mans physical eye and nowhere in the new testment can a person have a relationship with God and Christ without walking by faith. Morevover, faith is another gift of God and He gives it in the measure He chooses to give it it also cannot be demanded through intellectual knowledge.

A billion testimonies would not convince a person that has no eyes to see and a billion deaths of Christain will not change a person that does not want to see. Blessed are those that know they are created and experience God's unending love.