Posts by BEROEAN

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Silent Lambs

by BEROEAN in

so was this all about money or what?

i was hoping silent lambs would resist the money and push for the exposure of the criminals.

instead they cave in to the gag order and they took the money and ran!

My intention was not to mislead or assume. In my brief history in the Org. i've only known of one person accused of child abuse. He was arrested and sent to jail. I guess in my limited knowledge of the court proceedings I thought Silent Lambs was a party in the case. I understand the victims are the ones making the decision and it would be pretty intimidating to refuse a settlement and dig in for a 15 round heavyweight fight against the Org. Obviously there's culpability on the Org.'s part. Why else would they settle? It would be "enlightening" to see how prevalent the child abuse is. I guess i'm hungry for names. Tangible proof. And if they are proven to be hypocrites by covering up a major scandal i'll leave and not think twice. Again, in my brief history, I haven't seen the things most of you have encountered. But, I can't just take a persons word for it either; even Ray Franz. Call me doubting Thomas. Coming out of Christendom I saw things with my own eyes. This has made me very skeptical and slow to trust another person's word. When I studied, I read apostate literature, tested what I had been previously told about Jdubs from members of my previous church, and cross referenced major beliefs. So far, the Org. stands up pretty well against other religions. However,my life and emotions are not interwoven with the Org. Why would an Elder come to this site if he had "unwavering" faith in the Org.? Contrary to some posters beliefs, there are Elders that think for themselves.

And I might mention the argument about it 'being impossible to be in the Org. and make your own decisions or think for yourself' is an unfair statement. I could say the same thing about every person alive. If you live in this country, the government tells you what decisions you can make for yourself and what decisions you can't (How fast to drive, Nude sunbathing, Drug use, Carrying a gun,ect.). We all speed, but how many of us are going to stand in front of the police station and brag about it? Isn't that what some posters think pubs.should do? "Sure you went out clubbing, but I bet you won't tell the Elders about it!" well duh!!!! Regarding free thinking, try showing your disgust for this country by hanging a flag upside down. Or going to a John Kerry speech and asking a hard-hitting question. (Don't taze me bro!) Free thinking is relative. But, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist with people in the Org. Maybe we concede some of our thoughts more than others, but by no means do we totally give up our freedom of thought.

One other note: Can anyone tell me if there's security cameras everywhere at the WHQ? Reading some posts here makes it sound like The Matrix.

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Silent Lambs

by BEROEAN in

so was this all about money or what?

i was hoping silent lambs would resist the money and push for the exposure of the criminals.

instead they cave in to the gag order and they took the money and ran!

BEROEAN

So was this all about money or what? I was hoping Silent Lambs would resist the money and push for the exposure of the criminals. Instead they cave in to the gag order and they took the money and ran! I thought it was all about exposing the pedophiles and rapists so that they wouldn't harm any more kids? I'm so disappointed! A money grab! Pure and simple!

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Elder's School what is it?

by 5go in

just so some of us may know?.

is it just a weekend brow beating, or something more sinister.. i ask because of the rumor going around about the special one coming up..

BEROEAN

Two days of scenarios, operating procedures, reminders, and encouragement. Nothing more.

Sorry to disappoint you guys.

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Does anyone have any pictures?

by BEROEAN in

i've been searching all over for pictures of governing body members engaged in "unscriptural conduct" and i still haven't found any.

i thought that in this day and age with cell phone cameras and spy equipment, at least one person would have something grimey.

i want to see what really goes on after hours in the borg.

BEROEAN

You guys let me down again! With so much inpropriety happening, it should be easy to snap a pic. with your cell phone! I guess I shouldn't hold my breath.

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When Elders go too Far...

by BigBloomerz in

this is just something that really peed me off regarding the elders, is how low they are sinking to get gossip and stuff now, i was in contact with a well trusted friend of mine who used to attend meetings up until 2 years ago, his wife is still in the jw org, he was having a joke around on some text messages with me regarding my man saying "try before you buy" and so on, which i found amusing....lets just say his wife didnt...she snooped on his phone, wrote out the texts he had sent me and gave the transcript to the elders, and now he has to go before a judicial commitee.

how wrong is that, for a start its an invasion of privacy!

i was fuming yesterday when i found out.

BEROEAN

One other misnomer; Elders do not go around asking people to spy on publishers. We do not interrogate publishers or "check up" on them to gather intel. Geez! Some of you guys think we're like the CIA or something. Nothing could be further from the truth. Elders are generally the last ones to find out about a publisher and wrongdoing. By the time it reaches us, half of the congregation knows about it (Matt. 18). Recently a teenager was dating a non-witness kid from school for about 8 months and she ended up pregnant. We didn't find out until she was showing (3 months). We took the normal steps. Judicial committee, anouncement, local needs part. (She was not dissed.) But, again, so many people knew about it. Especially the other teens in the Cong. I mean, come on people. Some of you know what it was like growing up in the Org. How much stuff did teens get away with without adults or even Elders finding out about it. This stuff about spies working at Wal-Mart? Laughable! Non-witness work mates as sources? Insane! As Elders, we'd much rather not have to deal with this crap. Why would we seek it out? Afterall, if Jehovah's going to reveal it in His own due time, why not wait and spend that time playing golf, fishing, or on the boat drinking beer?

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When Elders go too Far...

by BigBloomerz in

this is just something that really peed me off regarding the elders, is how low they are sinking to get gossip and stuff now, i was in contact with a well trusted friend of mine who used to attend meetings up until 2 years ago, his wife is still in the jw org, he was having a joke around on some text messages with me regarding my man saying "try before you buy" and so on, which i found amusing....lets just say his wife didnt...she snooped on his phone, wrote out the texts he had sent me and gave the transcript to the elders, and now he has to go before a judicial commitee.

how wrong is that, for a start its an invasion of privacy!

i was fuming yesterday when i found out.

BEROEAN

Even if the guy is gay, they obviously have issues. Imagine being in her shoes. She has four kids with this guy and he prefers dingleberries. I would think most women that aren't into gay or bi-sexual men would feel a little insecure. Couple that with him talking about sex with another woman. She's probably sexually frustrated and her advances rejected many times. And the emotional closeness he displays with you is something she craves. Let me guess; she's a heavy drinker? He sounds like a real keeper. Personally, IMHO, she should dump him and make his ass pay child support. She can do 'bad' all by herself.

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Remember: Every Kingdom Hall Has Dynamite Within

by metatron in

jw
friends

allow me to point out that, per the society's regulations, every kingdom hall has a pile of metaphorical dynamite within.

every kingdom hall.

is required to keep judicial files - often going back decades - locked in the kingdom hall.

BEROEAN

As a current Elder, several years ago (approx. 5 ) the files used to be in a cabinet but not locked by most congregations. COs never mentioned anything about them being locked. I would look at files of other congregations on a casual Saturday afternoon. Sitting in the library "doing research" or studying "publisher record cards" was a perfect setting for the "wandering eye". And then, a letter came from the Org. followed by the CO demanding that all file cabinets have a lock on them. I believe this was right around the time of the child abuse news break.

Men are the worst housekeepers, and the Cong files are rarely cleaned out. I recall seeing bank statements from the 70's! Imagine what files are still in these cabinets!

Usually, every elder has a key to the cong. files. Account records, judicial hearings, letters from the GB and Branch, Letters of Introduction, ect. They're all there. Nothing is kept by any one elder. All congregational items are in the congregational file.

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Remember: Every Kingdom Hall Has Dynamite Within

by metatron in

jw
friends

allow me to point out that, per the society's regulations, every kingdom hall has a pile of metaphorical dynamite within.

every kingdom hall.

is required to keep judicial files - often going back decades - locked in the kingdom hall.

BEROEAN

Why not get together a secret mission to steal the files? Every kingdom hall could be hit on the same week!

Here's the plan. You get dressed up like a brother or sister and just say you're thinking about coming back. Suspicions about you are immediately dropped. You might even get re-instated that day! You case out the place during a Thursday night meeting. Then you plan your coup for one of the next three days.

Saturday would be the ideal time. Usually there's more than one congregation meeting for service and you'll get lost in the mass of people. If someone questions you (perhaps someone you saw thursday night) just tell them you're attending the bookstudy. If there isn't one, feign stupidity and tell them you'll see them tomorrow and go to your backup plan or abort the mission.

If you're not accosted, find a side door that you can prop open. Tape on the latch or a stick would do the trick. Be obvious when leaving. Now, you can return Saturday night after midnight. Take a large duffle bag, a flashlight, bolt cutters, and at least 12 small lock. Now, when you break the locks, remove all of the contents in the cabinets, and re-lock it with a good lock. That way, when the next brother walks by the cabinets they'll be locked as usual. Nothing suspicious. Some KH may have up to 4 congregations, so you'll need two bags or a partner to help you.

Here's the important part; do not take the files back to your place. Put them at a storage locker in the mall, keep them at a friends house, or rent a small storage facility. This is a major coup de tat! KH's around the world will be up in arms. Do not touch the files until the heat dies down (approx. 6 months).

Afterwards, you can do what you wish with the documents. Publish them on the net, send copies to the local police, extort the Org., ect.

This would shake the Org. to it's foundation! Come on people! I've given you the blueprint! Who's in! Stop waiting for someone else and get pro-active!

The Org. is too slow to get word out to every KH PO. Besides, by the time the brothers at the hall

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When Elders go too Far...

by BigBloomerz in

this is just something that really peed me off regarding the elders, is how low they are sinking to get gossip and stuff now, i was in contact with a well trusted friend of mine who used to attend meetings up until 2 years ago, his wife is still in the jw org, he was having a joke around on some text messages with me regarding my man saying "try before you buy" and so on, which i found amusing....lets just say his wife didnt...she snooped on his phone, wrote out the texts he had sent me and gave the transcript to the elders, and now he has to go before a judicial commitee.

how wrong is that, for a start its an invasion of privacy!

i was fuming yesterday when i found out.

BEROEAN

So let me get this straight. His wife is pregnant and you're talking to her husband about sex? Are you friends with her also or does she disapprove of your relationship with her husband? Frankly, i'm surprised at some of the responses. What self-respecting husband AND father of FOUR would be that insensitive to talk "jokingly" about sex with another woman when his wife is pregnant? What is he 15? Personally, this guy is nothing more than a coward. If talking to other women about sex is what he wants to do, why doesn't he disassociate himself and divorce his wife? Yet, most of you would rather blame her? Puh-lease!

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elder attending college!!

by XOCO in

hey i'm a second year undergrad student and i saw my elder in the library reading the 1,000 page book and taking notes wtf?.

BEROEAN

Actually there's plenty of JWs taking college classes lately. Several years ago there was a WT article that covered pursuing a higher education. Nothing wrong with it. The entire thought was carefully considering what the persons motive was. Surely, you guys know there's plenty of Nurses, Architects, Attorneys, ect. in the Org.