Posts by fresia

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Did Jesus really die on a cross?

by moomanchu in

believe it or not this was the very very begining of my demise as a dub.. i picked the simplest thing that dubs disagree with christians on and i thought surely i could come to a conclusion as to wether dubs were right or christendom was right.i wanted to start building my foundation of faith in them.. i can't believe they are still using this stupid illustration of the loved one murdered by the weapon illustration!.

idiots, jesus wasn't murdered he gave his life ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

they have this on their site.. http://www.watchtower.org/e/200604a/article_01.htm.

fresia

The cross is a pagan symbol that the papal system adopted.

Tau of the Chaledeans and Egyptians the true original form of the letter T - the initial of the name of Tammuz- which, in Hebrew, radically the same as ancient Chaledee, as found on coins, was formed as in NO. I of the accompaning woodcut and in Etruruan and Coptic. Tau was marked in baptism on the foreheads of those initiated in the Mysteries.* and was used in every variety of way as a most sacred symbol. To identify Tammuz with the sun it as joined sometimes to the circle of the sun, weather Maltese cross which the Romish bishops append to their names as a symbol of their episcopal dignity.

X which was in itself was not an unnatural symbol of Christ, the true Messiah, and which had onece been regarded as such, was allowed to go into disuse, and the Tau, the sign of the cross, the disputable sign of Tammuz, the false Messiah was everywhere substituted in its stead. The sign of the cross has always and everywhere been seen to be such an instument of rank superstition and delusion.

It cannot be right to use the sign of the cross or emblem of Tammaz, should be used in Christian, worship.

Quotes from

Kitto's Biblical Cyclopaedia, vol.i. page. 496

Sir W. Betham's Etruria, vol 1. page 54

Bunsen, vol. i page 450

snippets from the Two Babylons. by Rev. Alexander Hislop. "irst published in 1916" "ast publication 1957"

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Elder for 30 years, lost privelages due to WT Education policy

by justhuman in

this is a really good one.

an elder who was serving for more than 30 years, faithfull to the organization at all means, has lost his privelage due to the wt education policy.

the reason was that he allowed his son to study at the university.

fresia

I think they mean uni as it has a campas atmosphere and political, and own walk and talk so to speak. They mentioned at the district assembly it wasn't advised to send to higher education they didn't put taff down but mentioned uni a few times.

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If you were the GB, what would you do to prevent to coming demise of JWs?

by jwfacts in

the current growth of jws no longer exceed the population growth, and in many educated countries it is now stagnant.

http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/statistics.htm in 50 years the whole 1914 thing will simply be an embarrasing irrelevance, so for the religion to even exist in 2057 will take some major doctrinal changes.. decrease is quite common for christian religions, except pentecostals, who are experiencing tremendous growth.

maybe they have jesus' blessing.

fresia

JWfacts said...

In 50 years the whole 1914 thing will simply be an embarrasing irrelevance, so for the religion to even exist in 2057 will take some major doctrinal changes.

What makes you honestly think that this system is going to last another 50 yrs, the decay of humanity the environment the corruptness, the cruelty and ungodliness, the mental health crisis the cancers and shall I go on, this will be the demis of the planet before the witnesses.

I think they JW are far more on top of things than you give credit to. Youre just interested in there demis and laughably they are the only ones pointing to the end of this system in line with what Jesus taught.

I would rather say the demis of the leadership or GB by Jesus ousting the evil slave, but not the demis of JW in general.

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I REALLY DON'T CARE...............................

by Warlock in

i believe in god, but i also realize he may not exist.. if you don't believe in god, i really don't care, i'm just curious.. i don't have this need to start threads like "why you must believe in god", or other such nonsense, but some of you still have this "control" issue that you thought you left in the org.

it seems like you must still try to control what others think.

"think like me, or you are an idiot.

fresia

I think God is seen in his creation I think religion has just about killed God.

Religion is a drug, and is in oposition to spirituality.

God is nearly fed up.

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DO THE GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS BEILIEVE IN THE CULT RELIGION

by Lotus65 in

do the members of the governing body and the president of the organization believe in the religion or are they in it for power in money

i wonder are they a cult for their idiotic, dangerous and souls sucking practices or are the a cult because of their idotic, dangerous and soul sucking practices along with them being money groveling, power mongers

fresia

Pride is before a downfall, and all the hype and prestedge that has been placed on the GB over the past decade will crash them. I don't believe in the GB.

The organization is becoming an elitism. Where now it is asked for the r/f no bodies to make lunches and hot meals for the pioneer school. I'm over it.

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

fresia

fresia:

No I don't follow any man but it appears that many on here follow Ray Franz the apostate.

'scholar' sure has tenacity, and faith in the Watchtower Society, but his faith in the bible is highly questionable.

The bible says that all the nations would serve Babylon for seventy years (Jer 25:11), then Babylon's king would be judged and called to account (Jer 25:12, Daniel 5:26-31). 'scholar' says that the Jews would be in Babylon for seventy years (nowhere stated in the bible), and that Babylon's king was judged 2 years after he was dead (illogical and not stated in the bible).

So do you believe the bible, or do you believe 'scholar'?

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Prophetic Speculations - What a Sad List of Embarrasing Dissappointments

by Lady Liberty in

thank you alan feuerbacher!!http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/some-prophetic-speculations.html.

some prophetic speculationsalan feuerbacher.

1831: william miller begins preaching christ's return in the fall of 1843.. 1842: miller and followers begin publishing a journal, the midnight cry.. 1843, late: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return in the spring of 1844.. 1844, spring: miller and followers disappointed; fix christ's return on october 22, 1844.. 1844, late: miller and followers anticipate disappointment.. 1844, october 21: miller says: "i told some of my brethren christ would not come on the morrow" because the second coming would be "in an hour they think not".

fresia

1967: The Society instructs District Overseers to deliver speeches at circuit assemblies announcing that Armageddon would definitely have arrived by 1975.

What publication did you get this from? I have never heard that before, where did you get this infomation?

They never directly said 75 Armageddon was coming, they did place unusual importance on 75 to do with Adam's creation.

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Bethel Tour-long sorry

by samiam2b in

i'm new as a member but have watched the site for a while.

one of my kids, who lives in another part of the country, came for a summer visit from another state and asked to go on a bethel tour.

she lives with her jw mother and is surrounded by jws and they even baptized her recently.

fresia

I went to bethel with family in 94' we had jeans long coats, we meet with other b/s from out of NYC and some from Canada, we were not hassled at all about our dress.

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The simplest explanation of 607 BCE

by Doug Mason in

if you are looking for the simplest picture that shows how the wts calculates that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, and if you want to understand basic problems with their method, this might be what you want.. http://au.geocities.com/doug_mason1940/wts_false_reasoning_for_607_bce.pdf.

(make sure that your pdf reader displays the whole page.).

doug.

fresia

I fear this is a lesson in futility.

One camp holds the Bible as the primary authority on chronology. The other holds secular sources as primary.

When confronted with data that conflicts with the status quo, a biblical chronologist will reject or attack the data while a secular chronologist will examine the data and revise if necessary. I believe this to be the fundamental difference.

Scholar will hold Biblical sources above all others, conflicting secular sources *must* be wrong to him. The rest of us will revise chronology if new evidence is found.

I think that Scholar upholds bilical sources above others is commendable and shows that he has has great faith. I would believe the bible above all other secular beliefs when it came to the nitty gritty because it is Gods word. I am sure Jesus would also as he always had enough faith to trust and quote from the scriptures even though it was from imperfect man, because he believed it to be inspired of God.

Jesus never trusted on book and distrusted all others. as tim says ALL scripture is inspired of God. Jesus believed that. Human errors are made but nothing takes away from the essence of Gods Message. Gods Kingdom.

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I Think I want to go to Heaven when I die..

by hilannj in

i have never really thought about it.. but i think i do want to go to heaven.. i want to have a personal relationship with jesus, feel comfortable praying to him and to god.

and even if it is a lie, i want to hope for it and believe it, and someday teach my children the same..

is that wrong?

fresia

I have no desire to go to heaven. We can have a personal relationship with Jesus here and now.