and im getting married we met on very odd terms, i saved her and she saved me....and ill die for her,in her place eternally or temporarily,but i only want her to think for herself and read the bible free enjoying Gods love as children of his. As i said im a witness,intend to stay one, but we arent even taught to study THE BIBLE ourselves we dont know how to use a concordance know anything of hermeneutics or interpretation or anything fo the sort,i do love her, THAT is why i want to make her strong,not for my will,not for the societys,but for her own and Gods will,if she understnds something different than me and can eplain it and isnt repeating the wt ill love it,i intend to stay a witness but just want to help her expand herself and grow. while i was typing this,this is an edit,she told me something,now i have nothing to worry about,i knew i idnt realy before,but just was worrying becaus ei love her so much.. :-D everythig is gonna be fine,thanks guys ill look into that book on how to think looksgood thanks guys.
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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SIGH firstly I am a jw! i believe darn near everything cept for the idolatry which is by our own standards that we qualify and i believe what we teach about reading it as the final authority, and i RESPECT HER BELIEFS THEYRE MINE but the same ones which werent mine arent hers and she needs to understand the manipulation engaged,if its he rbeliefs i respect it..you obviously werent a witness because most of our beliefs arent ours they are borrowed,though most are true.and i told her many times i disagree with ceratin things,and she agrees with me,i told u that,today i told her she should write a letter to her dffed brother trying to tell him what hes doing with his life (he left everything and is going down hill on the road to jail her father wants her to tel him somethin but she wont due to policy) after we read Jesus condemnation fo the pharasees how he called them hypocrites she agreed,i never keep secrets and did u read all of my posts? i tell her openly all the time and she agress and the beliefs arent hers i agree with all the major beliefs she has never made sure of all things as her won beliefs say....you feel sorry for her...you assuming...im done.
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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btw I have read ray franz book in search of christin freedom n own coc
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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my typing sucks,and honestly shes not super loyal to wt teaching i openly disagree about many things and she agrees,i just dont want to make her believe anything that isnt needed,the main thing which sickens me is the idolatry that actually is mainly it,and I told her if anything goes against scripture ever i will openly oppose it and be disfeowshipped and she said she loves me and knows i love Jehovah,we spoke on the child abuse issue, and i said that if i was an elder on a case and we couldnt expose him because of the two witness rule i would in the meeting in front of all the others tel the person to go to the police and expose the man, even if he was an elder and get disfelowhipped and shunned by everyone i love because i said legalism is not the lord over christianity its the other way around if a child says something happened it does not know what it was its even talking about it cannot make it up,and i also said i know for a fact Christ Jesus woul be angry at making the word of God invalid due to tradition,mentioned how Jesus went against the law many times for the principles behind those laws. I also disagreed on the stupid people who want their family to die so they wont be destroyed and the ressurected ones wil be celibate but those who live on into it wont and she agreed,shes not fuly indoctrinated,because she never tested anything really,and i just want her to learn to reason independantly because i dont want her to go with my thoughts because i am fallible and will be wrong alot, but for us both to use our minds and see the essence of the message.
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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alright..well thanks and i realise what could happen and im willing to risk it,and her leaving (which she wouldnt do if i told her weve been lied to and asked her to read one of the books she would but i dont want to harm her if im wrong in doing this...yes i am stil partially "captivated" as you would say)
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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and as for that you have to respect her beliefs no matter what they are,that liberal remark makes me sick. and i would and her beliefs are for the most part mine, save for the overt adoration of men. and it would be nice if they were just that HER BELIEFS,and not beliefs she just accept because someone else who she thinks with no evidence has god given rights to make them and impose them tells her she must believe or die. before i met her she didnt have any reasoning ability they would avoid going to harry potter because it was announced and go sit through lord of the rings ect. (not that either is bad just an example) elders in her area talk openly about movies which are objectionable (according to the wt standards save for the fact that they arent mentioned by name) many of them act as if its there religion and not their life. and btw i am a jw and a servant, i just wanna get her out in that her mind is free and we can study the bible happily together. and dont ask why i still love her because i do and my reasons are my own and i do not wish to discuss that aspect because its happening and she is my wife in both our hearts. so if anyone has advice on how to help her to THINK and reason ,biblically and without man as her mediator but Christ alone,let me know.
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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i wrote that title that way to get input from you all,thats all i want to do is help her to be able to think,i agree with many of the things,but some things which i dont are the very things which hurt people and effect them negatively,thjats it,everything else is alright, save for the idolatry which is offensive. Im a witness and i actually want to stay one,but i want to get her out in that i want to free her mind so that she is no longer mind controlled, because she definately is. And as for the "you are not ready to get married" please, im getting married to her and i do just want to help her mind,and theres o way i want her to think what i want,that wouldnt be any fun,i want to be able to think along with her and come to bilbe based not coherced conclusions. again the only reason i posted the heading that way is (well most of you are negative lunatics) I was going to sort through your posts and pick what seems non offensive and helps ones to "think" thats all.
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gettinjg my fiance out
by TheGreyGuardsman inany help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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any help,were getting married soon, i already taught her about savation by undeserved kindness,i wanna open her mind to think before i get into any witness particular errors,i have on my site http://whoreallyisthefaithfulsteward.blogspot.com/ an article about idolatry i may statrt her with that so she will understand the wt gets things wrong and isnt inspired,any advice, can you email it because i rarely check this board [email protected]
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Man not supposed to live forever.
by searcher ingen 3:22 and jehovah god went on to say: here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad, and now in order that he may not put his hand out and actually take [fruit] also from the tree of life and eat and live to time indefinite, nwt
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You people,who give up on God, the bible, or Christianity never took the basic first steps , never proved God to yourselves never proved the bible and never put faith in God, you put faith in an organization, and in man,you never really were Christian your faith was based on an organization and when you realised it was false and the dates and other crap folded you did also, in Jesus day they realised that Christ had began ruling then, the devil was cast down then,and what took place form that time through now shows it, and it is accelerating, whether we die now or not it is already done,and life is not this flesh it is what adam would have gotten if he ate of that tree, and it is what those who live as o Go and not man now ,faithfully will get the "144,000", recreation as part of the new creation, not fleshly not angelic, but a new creation, they shall put on incorruptability. You all, most of whom i believe will come back and with those others who have been decieved by Satans discrediting tactic and who haven't conquered in this world will live on earth to be brought to the right condition, then will be tested again, when all is done some wil remain, and they will be lead to trees of life and will also put on incorruptability and be part of that new creation, and the creative days shall resume with earth and the works in it being discovered, and Jehovah being reconcile with man and all being part of the heavenly family (hey im not too dogmatic an im not a nut, but im not superselective in my isolation of what Christian is, hat we were created in undeniable you cannot get life from nonlife, Jehovah God is the source of all energy and life Christ is his spokesman to all creation and the means he(the great endless unlimited power source) used to create everything,indiviual representative embodiement of God the source, the "avatar" as he was before he sacrificed himself, he isn't Micheal, and he has been made Master and Mediator to us all only him, no man or heirarchical organization or anything which reflects the governmental ruling system under the control of Satan,(Satans invisible organization being Babylon The Great)The Holy Spirit is Gods Breath,and The Bible is something you cant have handed everything 100percent to yourselves you have to get off your lazy butts and exegesis with it. Because you submit not to man, but to God and Christ. Giving Up on God Is you submitting and being beaten by, everything you hate, stupid high an mighty religious people as you may see it (who themselves are decieved)Authoritarian Organizations, And people who use the bible to control others, they shame the name of God when they beat down the weak and allow it to happen, all in the name of submitting to an organization (idolatry and the tactic Satan used to assualt truth from being fully grasped at the hands of Rutherfords takeover resulting is wicked legalism and not being fuly recovered from to date) rather than Christ.
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New project underway
by TheGreyGuardsman ina new myspace page is underway articles n real christianity and such for both witnesses dffed ones inactive ones and people who need encouragement to see what being a true christian is about from all religions and all sects of christianity i think we need to become united in truth as to what the first century was like,this site will help many to see the truth on things and different perspectives and get encouragement if any want to contribute articles can b submitted at [email protected] its for people under the yoke of all religious backgrounds to understand what its all about.
http://www.myspace.com/realchristianity
also these articles were edited very quickly when i awoke so i had no time to fully edit references of the watchtower out i want them objective and focusing on organizations in general so that a witness will read it as a scholarly biblical examining type work which they will think to be able to use on others but see it applys also to them.
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A new myspace page is underway articles n real christianity and such for both witnesses dffed ones inactive ones and people who need encouragement to see what being a true christian is about from all religions and all sects of christianity i think we need to become united in truth as to what the first century was like,this site will help many to see the truth on things and different perspectives and get encouragement if any want to contribute articles can b submitted at [email protected] its for people under the yoke of all religious backgrounds to understand what its all about. http://www.myspace.com/realchristianity Also these articles were edited very quickly when i awoke so i had no time to fully edit references of the watchtower out i want them objective and focusing on organizations in general so that a witness will read it as a scholarly biblical examining type work which they will think to be able to use on others but see it applys also to them.