I think the society monitors some boards as well because sometimes in some WT study articles, you will see some sentences alluding to things only mentioned by former JWs in message boards.
Flowerpetal
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WTBTS Monitoring Discussion Boards??????
by normie67 injust curious many say that the org monitors dbs, but anybody have concrete proof of this??
oh by the way at the recent ca dbs were mentioned from the platform!!!
the thought was "some jws were visting jehovahs witness discusssion boards and trying to correspond with some"...might not be exactly what was said(not an actual quote)...they mentioned put a doubt in your mind and start questioning your beliefs!!!
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Field Service, Anyone?
by Farkel inthe human brain is a non-stop chattering machine.
it is constantly evaluating, making decisions and judgments.
there is not a human being alive that isn't an abject hypocrite nearly every day.
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Flowerpetal
Farkel, you relate:
We push the doorbell, but can't hear a ring. We wait five minutes and push the doorbell and still can't hear a ring. After another five minutes we come to the sudden realization that perhaps the doorbell doesn't work and remember that Jehovah is watching us. Jehovah is always watching us and Jehovah has also figured out that the doorbell doesn't work. So we'd better do our best to make sure someone is home. One of us knocks ever-so-softly on the door. We do this because we want to GENTLY wake them up from a sound sleep so we can tell them something we are certain they won't want to hear in the first place. After another five minutes and second knock which is a little louder, someone answers the door."
I had to laugh at this one! Years ago, when I was a teenager, I worked with this brother who was bound and determined to get somebody home at the house we were at. It was a two-story house. He rang the bell--no answer. He knocked, each time getting a little louder with his knocks--no answer. Then, just when I thought he was going to leave and count it as a not home, he went around the back of the house, to find another door to knock on--no answer. Then he looked up to the second-story window and shouted "Hello--anybody home?" Next I thought he was going to pick up a little pebble and throw it at the window, but he didn't. But I wondered if he was thinking of doing it. LOL But finally it dawned on him that nobody was home---really.
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Long Intro From A Long Timer
by hillary_step ini am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.
i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.
i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.
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Tina, you said to HS:
You dont know the people or their stories but jump in and make these blanket assessments. You attack the messenger by calling them frustrated and angry-sorry Im not any of those.
Self-righteous "I know better than you" elsder types are unfortunately a dime a dozen in the org.How about leaving the org out of this for a sec, and think about the fact that some of us have more life experience than others because we are older and perhaps a bit more wiser. Some of us have seen the '60's with all the turmoil that went with it, and shortly following that, the '70's, and I am talking about outside the org.now: The war in VietNam, the struggles of the African Americans. Heck that even started in the '50's when they would show news reports on TV of police in the south hosing the African Americans because they were determined to stop segregation. The assassination of President Kennedy, his brother, and Martin Luther King. We saw changes that have affected us and shaped our attitudes apart from the org. You seem to judge everything some of say as coming from the WTS, or that our entire outlook on life is because of it's influence and that is simply not the case.
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Long Intro From A Long Timer
by hillary_step ini am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.
i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.
i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.
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Flowerpetal
LoneWolf, you stated:
In the meantime, we have the difficult task of panning out the gold from the dirt. We can throw the whole works out, of course, but if we do that, then any possibility of progress from those painful experiences is lost, and we're all back to square one.
Here is where maturity and self control comes in. Personally speaking, I'm grateful to the WTS for having broken the back of such nonsense as immortality of the soul, hellfire, the trinity, etc. My desire is to hold on to the progress that has been made, resist that which is not right, and refuse to stagnate in the cesspool of hate and resentment by looking for ways to continue forward. I think by-and-large I've succeeded.
For those who criticize this: keep in mind two things --- 1. Sometimes a leaky, half-rotten boat is better than none,
Since the second thing doesn't apply to me as of yet, I left that one off. But I just thought what you said bears repeating.
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Long Intro From A Long Timer
by hillary_step ini am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.
i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.
i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.
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Flowerpetal
SixofNine, you said:
[QUOTE]Yep, this freedom is pretty special, and something no JW has. For me, it makes life so much richer, fuller...just all around better. It's the freedom to be completely honest.[/Q]
Being completely honest, doesn't mean being insulting, judgemental, and tactless to others, however. (not that I'm saying you are but there are some who are).
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Long Intro From A Long Timer
by hillary_step ini am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.
i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.
i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.
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Flowerpetal
Hilary, you said:
Some of you seem to have set yourselves up as some sort of online Theo Jaracz. You use the very same tactics as the Organisation that you claim to have seen through and abhor. Instantaneous judgments, guilt by association, straining at words, missing the spirit and principle of the messages, collective bullying, selective quotations, a total intolerance of viewpoints that confound your own and above all an astonishing and arrogant confidence in your own point of view. All in all many of you seem to have become the kind of people the WTS made you. So much for your 'freedom'.
Same conclusions I have drawn, as well Hilary.
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Long Intro From A Long Timer
by hillary_step ini am a new to posting on this board though i have been actively reading your posts the past while and i thank some of you for the interesting viewpoints that you have verbalized and that i have enjoyed thinking on.
i am still an active jw, in fact an elder of 20 years standing hence my need to limit information about my personal circumstances.
i have served in a number of countries in europe as a pioneer and elder over the past three decades.
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Flowerpetal
Gopher, you said:
[QUOTE]So really Jesus took that idea of community responsibility and brought it forward. This is no leap of logic. Who wants to be part of the bad "tree" when it finally gets cut down?
Surely you can see that there's some huge, almost apocalyptic event in the future of the WTS organization. Either it has to change in a huge way or it will come crashing down.[/QUOTE)
That could happen to the WTS, either big changes or it will crash. But if a person has made Jehovah and Jesus first in their life, they will survive the crash (if it crashes) because they have already have this relationship with them and know how to rely on them in all circumstances. There are not all just legalistic, organizational-driven JWs in the society. Those are the ones who suffer a real crisis of conscience if they just go thru the motions, not even knowing why they do what they do.
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Why some stays inside the JW
by beroea ini was posting a little on the old h2o but have taking a break before going to this new room only watching for a while.
im still an active jw and elder here in europe - a long way from you in the usa and also another culture even inside the jw.
i think we in europe as jws are thinking a little different from the jws in the u.s. we dont put religious authorities as high as i think you do.
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Hi beroea! Welcome. HOpe to read more of your posts.
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My Story, Finally..... Feels so "Good"
by Casper ini am a survivor:.
i was born in one of the largest cities in the us, lived there for the first few years of my life, during that time i was molested twice, once atthe age of 3 and again at the age of 4, the second .
time being a group thing.
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Hi casper! Just read your story. I feel bad for all the loss you have suffered. Yet you have managed to go on and still seek spirituality. I think that is great. You can be a spiritual person without being a part of religion. Even though I am starting to question some of the things the apostle Paul wrote, he was right on in the matter of prayer. I like this chapter and verse:
Philippians 4:6,7
"Do not be anxious over anything but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let your petitions be made known to God and the peace of God that excels all thought will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus."I hope this will bring you some comfort.
FP
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JW Practices
by patio34 inmaybe this irked you in the past?
i had a hard time convincing--nay, believing--that we lived in such baaaad times.
jws have the belief that times are bad, so we had the task of convincing the householders of that.
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Thanks Patio!