replying to a thread lower down made me wonder how did those who left the org years ago cope.. today we have access to virtually all the information in the world via the internet, so its not hard to find others who have had the same experiences that you have and to learn from them.. but even just a few years ago this was almost impossible.. when we came into the org in the early 1980's we did reseach as far as we were able but didnt find much in our local library.. so we were caught!!!.
those leaving the org back then must have felt isolated and even more frustrated then we do today.. i can remember being told about protesters outside conventions etc and that you musnt read their placards or take their tracts, but obviously it was the only way they had to try and help those inside the org see the real truth.. surely the thought of such an isolated existence kept many from taking the final steps to freeing themselves.. can any here relate to that.. .
edited by - anglise on 27 february 2001 17:58:22
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PS: Thanks for complying.
Edited by - Focus on 27 February 2001 18:0:36
what the bible's about: russell and his servant girl.
what follows are quotations from "the finished mystery" (volume vii of the studies in scriptures), a publication by the people's pulpit association (1917-20, 1924, 1926-7) for the watchtower society.
(matt, 24:44-47; luke 12:42-44.)..
Thanks for pointing out how the Watchtower (talking out of the side of its mouth) commends having an open mind that thinks independently...
Of course, in:
1911WTWR 09 15 r4885
1951WTWR 06 15 375
1957WTWR 05 01 273-9
1960WTWR 02 15 106
1964WTWR 05 01 277-8
1981WTWR 08 15 28-9
1983WTWR 01 15 22-7
1986WTWR 03 15 16-20
1986WTWR 04 01 30-1
1987WTWR 06 15
1988INS2 0866
1988REVE 010
1988WTWR 08 15 30
1988WTWR 11 01 20-3
1989WTWR 09 15 23-5
1989OAOM 006-8
1993WPOL 22
1994WTWR 02 01 04
1994WTWR 07 01 22-3
1995WTWR 07 15 04
etc. etc. the Watchtower criticized independent thinking, often stating it is Satanic and dangerous!
N.B. Hint to someone!
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the great pyramid of giza (isa.
1880 - symbolizing jesus (1880wtwr 09 01 02).
1881 - commands respect but is a poor and weak foundation for hopes (1881wtwr 05 01 04-5).
The Great Pyramid of Giza (Isa. 19:19,20)
1880 - Symbolizing Jesus (1880WTWR 09 01 02)
1881 - Commands respect but is a poor and weak foundation for hopes (1881WTWR 05 01 04-5)
1881 - Supports 1874/1878/1881 chronology (1881WTWR 05 01 06)
1883 - Placed by God (1883WTWR 09 01 02)
1891 - God's Stone Witness and Prophet, of Divine origin, hugely important (1891TKIC 309-376 etc. etc. until 1916)
1917 - Confirms the validity of 1878/1918 chronology (1917WTWR 10 01 r6149)
1919 - Its model marks Russell's burial spot (1919CRPP 7)
1922 - Confirms the validity of 1874/1914/1918 chronology (1922WTWR 06 15 187, 1922WTWR 11 15 355)
1924 - Proves God lives in the Pleiades (1924GAGE 09 10 793-4)
1925 - A messenger of the Divine Plan involving Arius, Waldo, John Wycliffe & Martin Luther (1925WTWR 05 15)
1928 - Vain philosophy, false science, Satan's Bible (1928WTWR 11 15 340-4)
1930 - Just a pile of stones (1930LIT2 286)
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Edited by - Focus on 27 February 2001 17:40:25
i appreciated the message posted .
by focus on feb.26,2001 concerning.
the appointing of eleders.. many thanks for the references.
> I would like to say how much I appreciated the message posted by
> FOCUS on Feb.26,2001 concerning the appointing of elders.
You are welcome!
And there is a lot more from where that came from.. I have placed another one in a new thread entitled "Another massive Watchtower FLIP-FLOP!"
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Edited by - Focus on 27 February 2001 17:53:16
over the next few days i shall be reviewing the flip-floppiness of god's (self-proclaimed) "only mouthpiece" and "sole visible organization", the watchtower.. one sees lists of these things; such are often woefully incomplete, thereby making the jehovah's witnesses look less unfavorable than they should... many previously thought that the record number of flip-flops were over the matter of whether the men of sodom (gen. 13-19) would or would not be resurrected - the wtbts changed its mind at least seven times on that one!
but i am pleased to tell you that that one (which i shall list in due course) was not a record!
here is one that beats it easily, for example.
> I'll take a shot at it. My guess would be either...
Do note I am going to string this one out, and have new threads on it.
> Who is the faithful and discreet slave?
I concede that is a good one. But perhaps not the best (see below)
> ..or...Is Jesus Our mediator? ( our, meaning not just the mediator for the annointed )
No, not too many flip-flops on that one (fewer than for the resurrection of the Sodomites)
What about the prophet-status of the Watchtower? The 'worship' of Christ? The necessity of putting up a struggle to avoid being disfellowshipped for being raped? The period covered by the 1260 days? The identity of the Kings of the North and South? The precise nature of the means of getting information to the writers of articles in the Watchtower?
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what the bible's about: russell and his servant girl.
what follows are quotations from "the finished mystery" (volume vii of the studies in scriptures), a publication by the people's pulpit association (1917-20, 1924, 1926-7) for the watchtower society.
(matt, 24:44-47; luke 12:42-44.)..
> You have not read the court records.
I have read over 20 pages of them. Have you?
> Why?
Not applicable.
> Because apostates like you want to hear the wrong side of the story.
For "wrong" please read "true"
> Moreover, that servant girl did testify
So? You are confusing her with Rose Ball (the steno Russell bundled off to the land of Oz).
Russell believed in more than one god and similarly more than one child to molest.
> and said that Russell never did nothing wrong to her.
Date / Page number in the court transcript, please.
And she was dependent on Russell as her employer, do note...
What was her name, by the way - as you know about her?
> Keep reading the Brooklyn Eagle Focus!!
I shall, never fear. The good Reverend J.J. Ross too. And W.F. Salter and Olin Moyle, the exposers of Da Judge! You do understand that when Rutherford was in charge, the Watchtower was sure in the hands of the Spirit(*)!
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((*) The Spirit being Canadian Malt Whisky by the wagonload! Class)
over the next few days i shall be reviewing the flip-floppiness of god's (self-proclaimed) "only mouthpiece" and "sole visible organization", the watchtower.. one sees lists of these things; such are often woefully incomplete, thereby making the jehovah's witnesses look less unfavorable than they should... many previously thought that the record number of flip-flops were over the matter of whether the men of sodom (gen. 13-19) would or would not be resurrected - the wtbts changed its mind at least seven times on that one!
but i am pleased to tell you that that one (which i shall list in due course) was not a record!
here is one that beats it easily, for example.
I have been notified of an addition - see the bottom:
Who Appoints Elders and Congregational Servants?
1879 - Congregations by vote (1993PROC 054)
1919 - Jesus (1971WTWR 12 15 748-50)
1920s– After registering as a 'service organization', subject to WTBTS appointed Director (1993PROC 212)
1932 – Elective elder position abolished entirely (1993PROC 212)
1938 – President of WTBTS (1965WTWR 07 15 428)
1955 - Governing Body (for all congregation servants: confirmation of existing practice) (1955WTWR 06 01 333)
1959 – Holy Spirit (1959WTWR 06 01 339)
1965 - Anointed Remnant (1965WTWR 07 15 428)
1967 – Governing Body (1967WTWR 09 15 563, 1972WTWR 08 01 458)
1974 - Holy Spirit (1974WTWR 07 01 413)
1976 – Jehovah (1976WTWR 02 15 118)
1985 - Holy Spirit with the Governing Body (1985WTWR 08 01 31)
1993 – Governing Body (1993PROC 054)
1994 – Holy Spirit (1994WTWR 01 15 16-7)
1996 – Governing Body (1996WTWR 01 15 15)
1997 – Jehovah (1997WTWR 03 01 28)
2001 - "We don't care, as long as it is NOT US!" (Louisville Courier-Journal, Feb 4 2001: summary of attitudes of the Watchtower's legal representatives to the fact that the elders did not report to competent authorities serious child abuse of which they were aware)
Tragic...
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from: big ray.
date: mon apr 17, 2000 8:44am.
subject: re: inactive publishers who post.
"Big Ray" is the ap^H^HJW who runs the Witnesses On Line kindergarten. He and I go back a while - nothing pleasant.
I wouldn't rely on the photo either.
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what the bible's about: russell and his servant girl.
what follows are quotations from "the finished mystery" (volume vii of the studies in scriptures), a publication by the people's pulpit association (1917-20, 1924, 1926-7) for the watchtower society.
(matt, 24:44-47; luke 12:42-44.)..
> I thought that was cool, albeit something of a mega-dump.
Are you referring to something like:
"Theirs' will be a disgraceful end indeed, for God will strew the bodies - even the entrails - of these wicked ones upon the earth, 'like the dung' (2001 WT Feb 15 pp14-20), then?
It is called "speaking the pure language of Jehovah", by the way.
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what the bible's about: russell and his servant girl.
what follows are quotations from "the finished mystery" (volume vii of the studies in scriptures), a publication by the people's pulpit association (1917-20, 1924, 1926-7) for the watchtower society.
(matt, 24:44-47; luke 12:42-44.)..
> Russell did make an explanation why he was in the girls room. Because the Girl was sick!!
Sure, sure, that is why Russell locked the door, ehh?
Perhaps he was trying to contain the disease?
> And the Jelly-fish story was a hear-say [sic]
Yes - the jellyfish story (albeit sworn testimony by Mrs Russell) was hearsay. But only because Russell had succeeded in bundling the girl off to Australia on a ship a few days prior to the trial (all expenses paid, naturally - "a new beginning, my dear...").
Here is a quote from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle newspaper of October 29, 1911:
"Rose Ball was not called to the stand, as she left for Australia shortly before the case came to trial"
> Boy, I wish you was in the same room with him
Well, I don't. He would probably try to fondle me, given his confused sexual state.
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