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  PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

  by Focus in

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  w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

  do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

  -u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

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  dungbeetle wrote:
  

  pedophiles targeting Christian communities

  ... and those of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  Julie, Pat and IslandWoman, thanks for your smiles and chuckles.

  Bigboi: you are immersed in delusion, and I have neither the time nor the inclination to bring you to reality. Your super-macho "Amerika wins" (versus the rest of the world) fantasies are sad.

  It was in reference to the US's entrance into WWII, not a possible conflict between the US and the Nazi World

  LOL! WW2 was principally about the spread of Nazism (and its Pacific counterpart). A distinction without a difference.

  b]More utter nonsense

  . I challenge you to produce data that at any time since reliable records began Japan was the wealthiest nation in the world!Well it actually depends on how you define wealth. It is no secret Note, no data produced, no source referenced.

  that the Japanese econonmy outperformed the US throughout much of the 1980's. Especially in the area of Real Estate

  Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

  "Real estate" is not an area of the economy. I knew you had to rely on some absurd extrapolation from what 1 square foot costs in Tokyo (putting aside the fact that if a lot became available, the price would plummet).

  quite possibly the Highest per capita income of any industrialized nation.

  Simply untrue. Where is your source for this? Reference?

  Further, Income != Wealth

  You have sunk beyond trace.

  Now I will deal with uyour grand illusions of a German World lead by Hitler against the US. One thing you forget is that Hitler's empire would in no way have encompassed the entire world. At most it would have included Europe and maybe some parts of North Africa.

  Asiatic Russia is half of Asia. Or did you think he would have just stopped at Moscow?

  Secomdly, how would Hitler be able to bring the whole world to the fight?

  By threatening and then killing those who refused, and their families, and ... you seem unable to understand the mechanisms of terror. The resistance movements in Europe were - leaving aside Hollywood's make-believe - largely ineffective.

  How does Saddam stay in power in Iraq, now he has lost the support of his Big Brother the U.S.?

  And more .. By 1944 Hitler had fighting for him over half a million VOLUNTEERS and RECRUITS from the previously hostile countries he had conquered... and he could have had far more in the East, had he so wished.

  Don't mention Japan. They knew the futility of trying to actually occupy US soil.

  Further American super-Jock delusions...

  "Our sacred soil".... hahahaha!

  Again, it's not likely that Hitler would have controlled all of the world's resources.

  No, no, he would have voluntarily stopped. He was well known for reasonableness and benevolence.

  Anyways nice talking to you focus.

  Kindly learn some history before re-engaging, or you will be ignored by me. Start with "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire", by Gibbon.

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  Focus[/b]
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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  bigboi wrote:

  *SIGH*
  Thanks for missing my point totally, Focus.

  I generally miss nothing. I very rarely miss points.

  We had a worn victor who could not possibly keep up it's pace

  There may have been a period of consolidation, regrouping and RE-EDUCATION (to ensure there was a large number of acceptable recruits).

  No doubt the US would have been frantically beefing up armaments at the time.

  BUT, PRIOR TO STAR WARS AND ICBMs, ONE COUNTRY (Canada included) COULD NOT POSSIBLY WITHSTAND THE REST OF THE WORLD.

  Pray, what part of this do you find hard to comprehend?

  And before pursuing more Invulnerability Myths, do pause and recall that a few hundred thousand, half-starved looking Viet Cong delivered the U.S. military a massive blow from which it is still attempting to recover psychologically (and which may be a partial cause of the excessive knee-jerkism observed in recent decades).

  Depending on what data you go by less than 10 yrs ago Japan was the wealthiest nation in the world.

  More utter nonsense. I challenge you to produce data that at any time since reliable records began Japan was the wealthiest nation in the world!

  Please, you are digging yourself in deeper and deeper.

  Nations in Asia have economies that were once growing double the percentage rate of any Western nation.

  Aem. Growth rate is not a measure of wealth. Wealth is a measure of wealth.

  Ever heard of the Great Depression?

  hahaha!

  The Great Depression hit mercantile Europe as badly as it hit the US, and is a complete red herring here.

  Again - you do not know enough to argue with me. That is not an insult. I am unable to assess how intelligent you are as your reasoning is based on extremely faulty "data".

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  Virtually the whole world, with Hitler supplied with eager volunteers aplenty, and in possession of technology to deliver missiles over long distances, versus the U.S., and it would be just a draw....
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  Come now, good friend. Certainly a country as "FAR, FAR AHEAD" as the US could have fended off Hitler and his goons. Right?

  *SIGH*

  Being far, far ahead of France or England is a FAR CRY from being anywhere ahead of a WORLD (bar the U.S.) and its resources controlled by the Nazis...

  You actually missed your own best defense - that the Nazis and Imperial Japan would have started quarrelling when their conquests caused them to meet up geographically, and before the U.S. was served up on the menu. While Hitler managed to confuse Nordics with Aryans (an idiocy perpetuated by many other racist fools), he could hardly have classified the Japanese as part of this privileged group.

  Go back, please, and re-read the thread from the start. Do you really have an argument with me??

  Even if you are right, the prospect of a DRAW with Hitler controlling the rest of the world is a prospect that most right-thinking Americans - HAD THEIR RULERS AND MEDIA SUPPLIUED THEM WITH THE TRUTH - would have found abhorrent and intolerable and worth entering a war for. But the US made the blunder of assuming the impending conflict (noew called WW2) was just a re-run of WW1, which was a wholly unnecessary family squabble among the pampered royal houses of Europe.
  WW2 was utterly different. It was a war that should have been prevented, but when it was too late for that, HAD TO BE FOUGHT.

  With malice towards none...

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  Focus
  (Demons Infest Earth's Atmosphere! Class)
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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  bigboi wrote:

  At the time France and Britain were the greatest nations in the world, with far-reaching colonial empires.

  Arrant nonsense..

  The US had surpassed France economically by 1890 and Britain by about 1905. Militarily it surpassed both combined, before the end of The Great War (1918-9).

  You can even find most of this in old issues of Zion's Watchtower, tucked in between the wheat bushel statistics...

  And by the early 1930s the States was FAR, FAR AHEAD. Let alone by the late 1930s.

  Please, do some research. You cannot expect your conclusions to often be correct if you feed your brain with garbage or guesswork. GIGO.

  IMO, at most it would have resulted in a draw. There is no way Hitler could have defeated the US

  Hahahaha!!!!

  Virtually the whole world, with Hitler supplied with eager volunteers aplenty, and in possession of technology to deliver missiles over long distances, and with a ruthless will and ideology to suppress dissidents and protest versus just the U.S., and it would be just a draw....
  Sorry, you are just TOO FUNNY!

  The US entered the European theater with alomost all other armies in retreat and Germany struggling to fight a war on two fronts.

  Wow! Such devastating logic!

  If before the US entered the war pretty much everyone was in retreat - WHO THE HELL WERE THEY RETREATING FROM???

  Jehovah??? The Watchtower???? Bigboys?????

  Jeeez.

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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  gambler wrote:

  I dont care how the us veiws china [..] The statement that the US has created more commies and terorists is ridiculous.I will admit the US has shared in its share of terorist building but comunists,please.Yeah , we created the soviet union and the billion plus chinese were all born over here in the US and we shiped them over to asia and founded the republic of china.I am sorry your majesty focus if I, a lowly peasent sound unworthy to his king.But I desepertly need your all wise and all knowing aproval.

  No, of course you would not care how the U.S. views, treats and supports China. I quite understand, and so do the majority of other readers.

  Your material is so full of holes it is hard to perceive any fabric at all. But I'll try.

  Now, communism simply does not work. For homo sapiens sapiens, at least. It just needs to be ignored. It will destroy itself naturally.

  Your assumption that all - or anything but a SMALL minority - of the occupants of a communist country are "commies" is so stupid it requires no refutation at all!!

  And by backing all varieties of genocidal dictatorships and neo-dictatorships around the world simply because they appeared to brown-nose the CIA in the right way, it was but natural that the common man in those unfortunate countries hated and rebelled against the propped-up brutes who oppressed them - and hated those who did the propping-up. A significant number of such victim people exist and existed in the world. And guess who was there to help them rally their JUST and RIGHT causes? Popular leaders and freedom-fighters, who had no option but to turn to the "other side" for funds...

  What else but US stupidity, arrogance and idiocy could make USSR failed-communism appear attractive??

  I stand by my statement. Get an education, sonny.

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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  bigboi wrote:

  I think it's ludicrous to try to put some blame on the US for not coming into the war sooner.

  No, it is not ludicrous at all. While I had already stated that Britain and France and others should have acted earlier than they did, AT LEAST THEY (FINALLY) ACTED before being attacked. The Great US, meanwhile, cowered behind its Pacific and Atlantic trenches, battened down its hatches, and deluded itself in the way that you are deluding yourself now, "bigboi". See *** below.

  Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in 1923-4, and the book was widely published. When Adolf came to supreme power in Germany at the start of the 1930s, and promptly started implementing his murderous power fantasies, ALL ADVANCED NATIONS bear collective bloodguilt for not having the wit and the guts to oppose him and stop him... and that certainly includes the US.

  Here are some gems from Mein Kampf:
  "it by no means believes in an equality of races, but along with their difference it recognizes their higher or lesser value and feels itself obligated to promote the victory of the better and stronger, and demand the subordination of the inferior and weaker in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe.. All the human culture, all the results of art, science, and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan.. Hence it is no accident that the first cultures arose in places where the Aryan, in his encounters with lower peoples, subjugated them and bent them to his will. They then became the first technical instrument in the service of a developing culture. The mightiest counterpart to the Aryan is represented by the Jew." "

  Those revelations were clearly then his blueprint for Germany's future. This warning to the world was largely ignored.

  Why not let the Euros slug it out amongst themselves and then come in for a relatively easy cleanup?

  *** TRUE BRAYING IDIOCY!

  Hitler, had he won in Europe and Russia, would then have marshalled all the forces of industrialized Europe - AND SMASHED THE U.S. Slave labor for factories is effective. Natural resources aplenty.

  Besides it wasn't the US that had mired the World in it's mercantilist policies for the previous 300 yrs.

  A safe pronouncement and strawman, as the US had not existed for the previous 300 or even 200 years AT ALL!

  I come not to defend the evils of imperialist, mercantilist Europe, which I could not in conscience wish to do at all, but to expose the infantilism and hypocrisy of the World's only Superpower.. Big Babies and Boys lose focus and start throwing their toys at phantoms when they are caught out.

  bigboi

  Appropriate handle, that!

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  Focus
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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  patio34 wrote:

  Focus, I read your sarcastic reply. You DO have a bent for it [..] smart ass.

  Such exploration as you feel driven toward regarding my bent, my ass and any connection therebetwixt is best left for the thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21751&site=3 where such things seem to be being discussed, and the young fantasist Xena can't quite seem to lose her rag in her pursuit of myself.

  it seems you are correct mostly

  You do not have to keep thanking me, Pat. Really, it is fine. More fruitful, and far more interesting (for me and even possibly for others), would be to try to explain why you inserted "mostly". So, what are the bits that I wrote with which you have problems? Please excuse and omit mention of my poor writing style, sundry grammatical errors, less-than-perfect delivery etc. - I mean WHAT FACTS, ANALYSIS or CONCLUSIONS of mine are disagreed with, disputed or doubted?

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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

  1. jw
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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  IslandWoman wrote:

  Focus,[..]The answer to your quiz is "A".

  Correct.
  Note that the troops stopped backing up the settlers - the Great American Tax Evasion Scheme saw to that!

  It was the European settlers who betrayed the trust of the North and South American Indian

  Of course true, except not quite the "settlers" in the case of the poor native South Americans, who - except for those so protected by the rain forests that they eluded the blade and the musket for a while - had it even worse... Their gold-seeking Hispanic invaders dispensed with waiting for settler-initiated genocide - the Conquistadors (i.e. TROOPS, not settlers - though it soon became blurred) launched straight into it without any further ado or delay.

  and it was European slave traders who brought slave ships to our shores! If America is anything at all; it is the progeny of Europe and of its Colonial Era.

  Absolutely and utterly correct.

  And this is a case of the bastard progeny striving to be even more hateful than its wicked ancestors!

  As a descendant of American Indians I take affront at any attempt to avoid responsibility here by in effect switching political masks

  If that was directed at me, it must be based on a complete misreading of my words.

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  Focus
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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  larc wrote:

  Well, you sure knocked people up side the head and got their attention.

  Now, whatever could have given you that peculiar notion, larc?

  The utter truth of Norm's point is what produced the rage in the Idiotic Class and the Impotent Class. I was merely an innocent bystander - indeed, a victim! Disturbed from my catnap.

  For the country that MADE Osama bin-Laden and MADE Saddam Hussein and MADE and PROPPED UP any number of other murderous, barbaric, extremist crackpot dictators and terrorist regimes all round the globe while playing "World Power", NOW GOES ON TO ALLY ITSELF with yet another genocidal criminal.

  And those who point this out are criticized and attacked by the Ignorant Chattering Class!

  Now, what is any self-respecting leopard snoozing in the tree above the noisemakers to do other than to gently tap the the heads of these misbegotten miscreants?

  From the earliest history of the human race until the present day, it has been a history of the strong dominating, enslaving and/or killing the weak. This is true of small tribes, nation-states, and countries. Now, if the oppresor enlists God on his side, this creates the kind of fanatic warriers you need to win. Many wars are fought in the name of God, but they all have their roots in money or resources, whether it be gold, oil, coal, or water, etc."

  Correct. The only modification I would make to the above is to append to "weak" the words "or peaceful".

  While stealing is considered wrong within a group, it is common place between groups.

  Surely so. Poor alien resident... The Jews were not alone in having their "religious" texts reassure them that stealing from, and even the murder of, people outside their "group" was not just wrong but actually commendable.

  While people have a romantic notion regarding native american's, they were not excempt from this phenomena among their tribes before the white man got here.

  Surely so! But - not that you suggest this - this fact in no away excuses white man from the genocide, cheating and grand theft he perpetrated upon them in both the Americas, on a geographic scale hitherto unprecedented since recorded history began.

  With Power comes Responsibility - and an absolute requirement for Wisdom. Else, better for all concerned not to have the Power at all.

  The Brute Class and the Thug Class who murdered the lawful inhabitants of the Americas are still much in evidence, and their MORAL OFFSPRING may be found today polluting this noticeboard and other places.

  But - be hopeful. Thanks to the soothing ministrations provided by myself and by others, they may as yet come to such senses as they still possess!

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  Focus
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  Criminal , new US ally

  by Norm in

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  the norwegian newspaper vg, reports: iraqi general nizar al-khazraji was the man behind the butchering of 180,000 iraqi kurds in 1988. he was one of saddam's faithful generals.

  he later had to flee iraq and is living on a secret address in denmark.

  he is under investigation by the danish police.. ---------------------------------------------------.

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  Englishman wrote:

  The reality is that most Americans don’t have that much to thank Europeans for if you consider the reasons why their ancestors left in the first place.

  Come on, admit it. You haven't been reading your Winnie's History of the English Speaking Peoples, now have you?

  Wasn't it largely the intellectual and moral DREGS of society who quit Europe for the New World?

  How can we expect more after so few genea have elapsed?

  Ask the few surviving North American Native Americans - they have retained records of their history - who were the by far the most cruel, barbarous and murderous:
  (a) the settlers and their Government
  (b) the British troops
  (c) the French troops.

  It is no contest.

  And as for slavery... the French and British outlawed it and fought against it actively. If one has to learn history from Hollywood, try Amistad rather than The Patriot. At least Spielberg knew who the villains were.

  The US sure has a lot to be proud of.

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  Focus
  (Note that the "?" signifies that the above comprise questions Class)