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To the Shameful F iends Who Attack Ray: A PARABLE.

by Focus in

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this parable is for the (few) shameful f iends who are attacking ray... and the sheep class who are rushing along, thinking they have understood (rather like they thought they understood the truth of "mother's" teachings?)..

the parable of the painting.

"i am the most trusted servant commissioned by my employer enoch to go to market to buy a work of art for him as an investment (the stockmarket keeps falling, so...).

Focus

Der Rick, how dare you purloin my thoughts using some highly scientific means, maybe that individual negative gravity device you have, or the battleship-powering atomic energy you keep stored in your finger-nail (so there is no danger of ever falling down stairs, as you would just turn it and go back up again)? And then pen them down as your own reply to Amazing? Did your mindreading include the use of antimatter or not?

I work towards a rapprochement, at least in part, between the parties. All competent help is welcomed.

In his reply, Amazing has ignored the part of the post dealing with molestation statistics. I am confident he will not overlook it.

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Focus
(Simply, Amazing Class)

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To the Shameful F iends Who Attack Ray: A PARABLE.

by Focus in

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this parable is for the (few) shameful f iends who are attacking ray... and the sheep class who are rushing along, thinking they have understood (rather like they thought they understood the truth of "mother's" teachings?)..

the parable of the painting.

"i am the most trusted servant commissioned by my employer enoch to go to market to buy a work of art for him as an investment (the stockmarket keeps falling, so...).

Focus

I was waiting specifically for you here, Amazing.

Amazing wrote:

No one is defending Ray.

You are not (really?), but some are. I am, for one.

Here it is in easy simple terms: Bill slandered Ray needlessly.

As I have said many a time here: Bill is brash. He is a showman. The media needs that. The media understands almost only that, alas.

I agree completely that Bill was most impolitic and tactless in the present escapade, even by my standards.

No personality cult

But there is a personality cult built up around Ray.

As I have posted thrice in the last three days, it is obviously unsought and unwanted by Ray. But Dubs have been trained to follow men. So some ex-Dubs - a bit like those who have left the armed forces - naturally gravitate to the most personable and plausible leader... Ray.
Whether he wants it or not, he has a Fan Club.

[While I admire much of what he has done, I am not a member]

It is this very aura that makes his relative silence to the media something that detracts from the cause of the silent lambs.

saying things [snip] hurting the reputation of another

Agreed and disliked by me too. And then Bill retracted, and then sort of the retraction got retracted...

Bill's hurt too, right? The movement is his baby and someone whom he knows could help him and whom he feels SHOULD help him, won't or can't help him in the way in which he wants.

You Know how moms are with their babies? Even jW moms.

Ray defended himself, period.

Clearly his right.

Ray clearly states he does not support the Watchtower molestation policy, and that he hates molestation, and that he never intended for the idiots at Watchtower headqaurters to misuse what was intended as a policy to bring justice to those falsly accused

All known, agreed, and understood (though I am confident you are putting some strong words into Ray's mouth here - now had he expressed himself so stridently to the media....).

Ray's intention was to foster an atmosphere that made it harder to discipline and DF people simply as a result of rumor.

In the climate of yesteryear, and in the confines of Bethel, he did not think through how the villains would apply the rule.

SO WHY DID RAY NOT PUT THIS INTO A CHAPTER INTO HIS BOOK? THIS IS FAR BIGGER THAN THE U.N. THING!

He cannot conceivably be held personally liable in a court of law for the consequences of those words, as - to the extent that he was responsible for penning them - he was working as a servant of a corporate entity who published them, simply putting into words the "will" of the Society which subsequently expanded on them after he was no longer part of the cult. Which corporate entity? The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. Such lawsuits as materialized would be against the publisher, and that means Brooklyn. If anyone was in a position to sue him, it would have to be the Watchtower - and I do not think that suit would get beyond its first hearing. Well, you know about Internet "attorneys", so the usual disclaimers apply.

Bill did not really like what Ray said,

Agreed.

and posts like yours do not get the simple picture,

Because the picture is not that simple?

The interest of the minor, the child is paramount. Where was that suggested or made clear in what Ray wrote BACK THEN?

but instead keep accusing everyone of talking and defending Ray Franz

You have misread my writings. I am here to defend Ray, not to accuse him (we are all honorable men); accordingly, why would I accuse others of defending him unless they are doing it in a way that, as I see it, will ultimately damage him?

I love Ray. I cannot forgive him, but I do love him. He is seriously misled in some of the beliefs he clings to, but they are (in my view) benevolent beliefs, applied by a man whose own God is as kind as he is (cf. jehovah-bin-Watchtower, who is anything but kind). I have heaped praise (unwanted by him, I am sure) upon Ray these last two days.

But IMO he does need to do more on this one issue - to inform himself, as far as is possible given the Watchtower's secrecy and "Hid Sight" policy, as to the magnitude of the Pedophile phenomenon within "God's" organization (expressed in approximate/likely percentage terms) And then to get himself squarely into position on the right side.

... but wait, there is more ... I plan a whole new post, possible tonight, that will add more fuel to the fire, and give you much more to prognosticate.

I await it with eagerness!

If you cast your eye over my little tinklings in JWD, you will find an old thread originated by myself VIEWED BY CLICKING RIGHT HERE .

In this thread, I present evidence (NOT Proof, as stated assumptions are made( to show that as many as 1 in 10 adult male jWs in the U.S. and Europe may well be a PEDOPHILE. I do not wish to go through all the reasonings again here - explore the link. I point out that by no means all pedophiles are abusers (the definition of a pedophile is one who HAS the urge or feels the attraction - he/she may resist acting upon this). While I disclose the assumptions made, and the data relied upon, you may assess for yourself a lower bound to this estimate. Even if it is ten times lower than the headline blurb, it is an outrageous epidemic. The comments made by another participant helped bringing out a common terminological misunderstanding (of which I had already notified Silentlambs).

It allows one to get some sort of a handle on the alleged 23,720 cases of child abuse (over the period covered - which is...).

Do me a favor, Amazing, and put this fairly before Ray? Thank you. He is a man, as I have repeatedly said here, who responds better to reasoning than to emotion (or threats!).

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Focus
(Parbeelzebubbles Class)

Edited by - Focus on 31 October 2002 19:8:4

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Bill Bowen: a 'burial' ONLY for those who can read

by Focus in

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the fleabites received for my speaking the absolute truth, almost entirely free from speculation, in:.

the thread found by clicking here would be hilarious if the matter at hand was not so serious.

i guess the biters generally display the poor reading and reasoning powers, and the huge desire to hero-worship ("my jehovah can beat up your jesus") that got so many embroiled in the cult of lies in the first place.... .

Focus

wasasister wrote:

Your parable, while certainly long and no doubt sincere, is so convoluted as to be unintelligble without a program. (Who is the slave's master, Enoch or Eric or is Enoch Eric?)

The slave was clearly serving two masters (and we know from Matt. 6:24, Luke 16:13 where that leads!). By giving someone who it was stated knew nothing about paintings authority to use his own judgment to make a decision, a master was clearly giving a slave wide powers of discretion. But then that cussed Fookus came along and his words persuaded the other master (or the other side of the same master) to expect a mere slave to exercise good judgment - and even research a possible source of inadvertent bias in an hitherto and hereafter unimpugned expert.

Of course, it might have just been a typo.

Feel free to choose! I don't have a spoon to spare to feed you.

A parable requiring a lengthy explanation is worthy only of Deities who Walk The Earth.

LOL! Sorry, not guilty.

In the highly unlikely event that you have genuinely not understood, look through the Watchtower publications that were contributed to by Ray Franz during his influential stint on the Writing Staff, and focus on those whose contents thereof have since been utilized by ones (who are considerably less holy than Ray) - in ways which Ray would never have imagined - to help build the Watchtower into a deluxe Pedophile Paradise Earth. And see where some reluctance to see the magnitude of the problem may have slipped in. Most understandable!

Perhaps you could write something about Virgins as it is a popular theme.

Writing to them, did you mean? I have found the foolish ones far more numerous than the wise ones - and far too troublesome. And if I lost my wick - what then would befall the Bridegroom Class?

It's good to have you back among us

"And when he returned, he found them asleep again, (for their eyes were heavy,) neither wist they what to answer him." - Mark 14:40 (kjv)

, although I see we are, for the most part, unworthy of your gems of insight. I would say you are full of wisdom

Please do not, for I am not worthy.

, but you seem to be already quite full of yourself.

It would not do to overflow: I concur. For one's cup to runneth over is waste, and there are many with far too little.

"For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." - Matthew 26:11 (kjv)

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." - Matthew 28:20 (kjv)

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Focus
(Irreverent Pussy Class)

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Bill Bowen: a 'burial' ONLY for those who can read

by Focus in

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the fleabites received for my speaking the absolute truth, almost entirely free from speculation, in:.

the thread found by clicking here would be hilarious if the matter at hand was not so serious.

i guess the biters generally display the poor reading and reasoning powers, and the huge desire to hero-worship ("my jehovah can beat up your jesus") that got so many embroiled in the cult of lies in the first place.... .

Focus

IslandWoman wrote:

Blessings and cursings out of the same mouth

There were no cursings, troll.

And there is good, less than good, and bad in all of us, myself certainly included. I do not indulge in hero-worship. Such is for the weak in mind. So I - and others - shall see good and bad in others.

And Ray is supposed to help you to forgive him

I cannot wholly forgive anyone who has been a long term member of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses, an organization of Spiritual Criminals who have wrought incalculable misery and evil in the lives of millions of the members of their cult, and their hapless loved ones.

Perhaps, this makes me less than good. I am not (j)esus. At least I am too good to be the terrorist god "Jehovah-bin-Watchtower".

telling lies to reporters

Another lie and troll. I would hate Ray to tell a lie. I would love Ray (who, like myself, prefers facts to rhetoric - though rhetoric has its place as the masses sadly remain lazy and demand spoonfeeding - "in no more than 50 words" - LOL!) to inform himself better on this specific issue, and in so doing review any possible sources of personal bias thay may, inadvertently, have been influencing his judgment on this SPECIFIC issue.

Too complex for you, IslandWoman, it is clear.

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Focus
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181

Bill Bowen's Comments on Ray Franz

by silentlambs in

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i wish them peace.

at the end of the conversation i did not feel we were in agreement.

for similar reasons i believe ray has not supported the issue of child abuse being a problem in the organization to media and by personal comments to persons who ask him privately about this.

Focus

Prisca .. she called them "wankers" .. she emailed out her photo .. Prima Donna Class [edited by means of deletion, as I agree with Mulan below that she is a distraction here]

Here, Prisca claims Bill has an Elder mindset and is dictating to Ray.
She is a reliable guide, indeed.

Bill was not, from what I have read on JWD, trying to tell Ray what to do. I have not yet explored the new Silentlambs website.

Bill was trying to give Ray information that Ray apparently did not have - and which, JUDGING BY THE AMAZING ACCOUNTS HERE, Ray perhaps did not want to hear.

Bill was very likely not subtle enough, not tactful enough, and so close to the painful issue that he was not his own best advocate. Bill is not in the Ray league of Communication and Wordplay Skills, and does not claim to be.

Here is a link to a PARABLE that illustrates (with deliberate blur) the real issue - COMPLETELY MISSED BY (ALL?) THE POSTERS TO THIS LONG THREAD: Click HERE for the Parable

If the Parable is still not clear enough to explain what is REALLY going on, CLICK HERE for the key to the parable - PLEASE DO NOT PEEK WITHOUT FIRST READING THE PARABLE. I really would prefer if you would think it out for yourself. If you look for the 10-word long line in red all by itself in my post of Oct 31, 2002 00:54, with the words "RAY FRANZ" and "TWO WITNESSES" in it, you have found the heart of things.

Sorry for the red faces when the penny eventually drops.

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Focus
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Edited by - Focus on 31 October 2002 13:35:29

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To the Shameful F iends Who Attack Ray: A PARABLE.

by Focus in

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this parable is for the (few) shameful f iends who are attacking ray... and the sheep class who are rushing along, thinking they have understood (rather like they thought they understood the truth of "mother's" teachings?)..

the parable of the painting.

"i am the most trusted servant commissioned by my employer enoch to go to market to buy a work of art for him as an investment (the stockmarket keeps falling, so...).

Focus

This parable is for the (few) Shameful F iends who are attacking Ray... and the Sheep Class who are rushing along, thinking they have understood (rather like they thought they understood the truth of "Mother's" teachings?).

THE PARABLE OF THE PAINTING
"I am the most trusted servant commissioned by my employer Enoch to go to market to buy a work of art for him as an investment (the stockmarket keeps falling, so...). There, I am offered a painting by an Artist, Achan. I don't really like the painting, and Achan is a bit shifty in his effusive praise of his own work. Achan claims to be "inspired!". But I know I have no knowledge of paintings, and I am just trying to do the best job for my employer. Achan tells me that the elderly Caleb is an unbiased, neutral, expert, well-loved, experienced art Critic, and he will guide me. So I seek out Caleb, and ask for his opinion on Achan's painting. He is genuinely very nice. Caleb tells me that the painting has its flaws but he won't condemn it or state that it would not be likely to be a wise investment "in the long term". I accept and rely on Caleb's dispassionate judgment as an expert. I attribute my dislike of the painting to my own poor taste. I buy the painting and take it back to my employer, Enoch.
The next day, Eric's old logic teacher Fookus comes to visit my master's house. Fookus irritates many of us because he is almost always right, and he knows it too, and does not care if we do. Tact is not his strong point! This Fookus hears about the transaction, laughs (cruelly, I think) and tells Eric, in my presence, that Achan, the painter of the work I bought for Enoch, had while painting that same painting been following set RULES written down in a well-known "Caleb's Painting Technique Guide Book" that had been written twenty years ago by the VERY SAME ART CRITIC Caleb - and Caleb (at the time Caleb gave me his expert opinion yesterday) as an expert would have known that Achan had been following his own (Caleb's) rules (as well as his own individual painting ways).
Caleb, having grown wiser since writing that book all those years ago, has changed his mind on the technical rules for painting since. But I can't help feeling a little embarrassed. I should really have preferred it if Caleb had declined to comment to me, or pointed out that he could not really be neutral here as it was the application of Caleb's own "rules" upon which his opinion was being solicited. While Caleb's views may well be totally sincere, my fellow-servants (who would love to discredit me with Enoch, my employer, as they covet my position) can suggest I was foolish to rely on Caleb's judgment, as it could not BE SEEN TO BE WHOLLY DETACHED.
I am angry and embarrassed that I now appear to be a fool in front of Enoch and my peers of the Servant Class. So, with human weakness, I slander Fookus, the bearer of the unwelcome information, and shout:
(a) Fookus, you are despicable for attacking Caleb who is such a nice and honest man (but Fookus had not attacked Caleb, or implied anything bad about him - he had just stated two absolute facts);
(b) Fookus, how dare you insinuate that Caleb's book was written with bad intent - Caleb genuinely believed those rules produced good results back when he wrote them twenty years ago? (but Fookus had not done any such thing at all - Caleb's book, rules or his sincerity when he wrote the rules was never the issue);
(c) Fookus, how dare you hold Caleb responsible for the poor painting done by Achan ("hindsight is so valuable")? (but Fookus had not held Caleb at all responsible for the misuse to which his rules had been put).
(d) Fookus, how dare you insinuate Caleb and Achan were in league together (but Fookus had not insinuated any such thing, and actually he believes Caleb is now very critical of Achan the artist - just a little reluctant to admit that his OWN rules produced such a bad painting, a very human failing especially in an older person).
By introducing these strawmen, I hoped my own foolishness at not checking the background to my source, and possible sources of inadvertent bias, would be overlooked by Eric my master in the confusion.
So I say: "Damn that wicked Fookus! LET US ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS! IT IS UNPRODUCTIVE! IT IS WRONG!"
[Translation: Fookus caught me out and made me look foolish.]
And I have many aliases and stooges in the servant's quarters, so we'll all say it, and churn the issue so the uninformed will get confused, so hopefully I won't get the blame. I really like Caleb.
But Eric was wise, and saw that Fookus (who also likes Caleb) had both:
1. not said what I claimed he had said, and
2. had stated only FACTS as to Caleb's authorship of the guide book and Caleb's embarrassed knowledge that Achan had followed that book.
Alas! Eric no longer trusts me with his important errands until I show I have learned to be more careful, discerning and not to blame others (Caleb or Fookus) falsely for my own folly, shortcomings and poor logic. I hate Fookus now. Shun him!"

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The parable is deliberately not exact.

For those who still cannot comprehend (doh!), material has been placed HERE in a new post on the "Bill Bowen: a 'burial' ONLY for those who can read" thread where I spell out enough, to make the relevance of this parable clear even to the Matt. 7:26 Class. The baying of Ray's embarrassing defenders, and the virulence of their calumnies heaped upon Silentlambs compels me to be more explicit than I would have otherwise chosen.

Yes, I think Bill could have handled this with more subtlety, and probably keeping a clearer distinction between his personal views and the aims of Silentlambs would have been wise. "Hindsight" is useful. But "Hid Sight", the Watchtower's Tool, is despicable.

But Bill is his own man (as is Ray), and so it should be. There is no Borgian central management, and no CEO. We are not like that which we despise.

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Focus
(Pickax Class)

Edited by - Focus on 31 October 2002 13:1:58

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ray franze

by rekless in

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first of all let me state: i read hid book two years ago.. second: is this i have corresponed with him also.. third i strill have this one question about his intergity toward mankind...he only wrote about the wrong doings of the gb after he was dfed.

most of us on this board stop going and da ourselves after we found out about the channel to god was a big joke.

all i see is mr. franz has used his position as an ex gb to make a very nice living for himself in his latter years.. i feel if he wasn't dfed he would still be hanging on to the beliefs of the jw's and still be letting innocent people die, because he didn't come forth and spill his guts while he was on the gb.. really letting all of us think that there was a direct channel to god through the gb makes him as blood guilty as those that are still there votinbg 2/3 whether the poor jdubs should live or die.this voting cost me a son that died of leukemia and a wife of a rare blood disorder.. yes, he may be a hero to most of you but if he had made a stand and walked away telling what he told after he was dfed then he would be a hero to me also, but he has play both ends against the middle and came out smelling like a rose.. when i found out about the malawi and mexico thing i stopped going and daed myself right after my wife passed away.

Focus

TheChi and others, Amazing has most assuredly not set you on the right path. I know Amazing is sincere, but his basic position here is predicated upon a wrong premise. teejay, minimus, Princess and so on are also somewhat misled, and now are pursuing some red herring re the name "Silent Lambs" larc's jury is still out. A few in this thread have not confused themselves, though they too may have missed something. The originator of the thread, rekless, is wrong on much of the detail, but his "gut" gripe is what I address - and understand.

Ignoring the Noise and Bluster Nethinim Substanceless Class (who post without proper thought or research and "RELY ON THE HARD WORK OF THEIR LEARNED BROTHERS" in Cyber-Bethel), whose members are to be found on both "sides" of this debate, no one is really saying that Ray Franz SHOULD have or MUST have known about the magnitude of the pedophilia issue back then.

That argument is a strawman. There is no real evidence, let alone proof, that he should have.

So drop the strawman, please.

And of course there is no suggestion that some uniformity of approach in fighting the Watchtower's Evil Empire is needed or wanted. How absurd! We are no Borg!

So that is another strawman. Drop it, please.

Ray Franz's UNWANTED and SELF-ELECTED FAN CLUB here are the ones damaging him, by creating these strawmen, and then knocking them down. And damaging Bill's movement too, with an amazing string of calumnies against him.

Strawmen are so convenient to have when there is an issue to address.

So what is the issue?

Have I been a bit vague so far? I have clearly not been too vague, as the penny has dropped with quite a few posters. Click here to see.

Please read that. sf (Skallywagger) has grasped the whole thing, and I think LDH (Lisa) has too. And I have been more explicit.

Here is a Parable to explain things. It is deliberately made less than exact, so do not try to work out who is Enoch, or Caleb, or Achan. But Fookus is very focussed.

I am the most trusted servant commissioned by my employer Enoch to go to market to buy a work of art for him as an investment (the stockmarket keeps falling, so..). There, I am offered a painting by an Artist, Achan. I don't really like the painting, and Achan is a bit shifty in his effusive praise of his own work. Achan claims to be "inspired!". But I know I have no knowledge of paintings, and I am just trying to do the best job for my employer. Achan tells me that the elderly Caleb is an unbiased, neutral, expert, well-loved, experienced art Critic, and he will guide me. So I seek out Caleb, and ask for his opinion on Achan's painting. He is genuinely very nice. Caleb tells me that the painting has its flaws but is basically likely to be a wise investment "in the long term". I accept and rely on Caleb's dispassionate judgment as an expert. I attribute my dislike of the painting to my own poor taste. I buy the painting and take it back to my employer, Enoch.
The next day, Eric's old logic teacher Fookus comes to visit my master's house. Fookus irritates many of us because he is almost always right, and he knows it too, and does not care if we do. Tact is not his strong point! This Fookus hears about the transaction, laughs (cruelly, I think) and tells Eric, in my presence, that Achan, the painter of the work I bought for Enoch, had while painting that same painting been following set RULES written down in a well-known "Caleb's Painting Technique Guide Book" that had been written twenty years ago by the VERY SAME ART CRITIC Caleb - and Caleb (at the time Caleb gave me his expert opinion yesterday) as an expert would have known that Achan had been following his own (Caleb's) rules (as well as his own individual painting ways).
Caleb, having grown wiser since writing that book all those years ago, has changed his mind on the technical rules for painting since. But I can't help feeling a little embarrassed. I should really have preferred it if Caleb had declined to comment to me, or pointed out that he could not really be neutral here as it was the application of Caleb's own "rules" upon which his opinion was being solicited. While Caleb's views may well be totally sincere, my fellow-servants (who would love to discredit me with Enoch, my employer, as they covet my position) can suggest I was foolish to rely on Caleb's judgment, as it could not BE SEEN TO BE WHOLLY DETACHED.
I am angry and embarrassed that I now appear to be a fool in front of Enoch and my peers of the Servant Class. So, with human weakness, I slander Fookus, the bearer of the unwelcome information, and shout:
(a) Fookus, you are despicable for attacking Caleb who is such a nice and honest man (but Fookus had not attacked Caleb, or implied anything bad about him - he had just stated two absolute facts);
(b) Fookus, how dare you insinuate that Caleb's book was written with bad intent - Caleb genuinely believed those rules produced good results back when he wrote them twenty years ago? (but Fookus had not done any such thing at all - Caleb's book, rules or his sincerity when he wrote the rules was never the issue);
(c) Fookus, how dare you hold Caleb responsible for the poor painting done by Achan ("hindsight is so valuable")? (but Fookus had not held Caleb at all responsible for the misuse to which his rules had been put).
(d) Fookus, how dare you insinuate Caleb and Achan were in league together (but Fookus had not insinuated any such thing, and actually he believes Caleb is now very critical of Achan the artist - just a little reluctant to admit that his OWN rules produced such a bad painting, a very human failing especially in an older person).
By introducing these strawmen, I hoped my own foolishness at not checking the background to my source, and possible sources of inadvertent bias, would be overlooked by Eric my master in the confusion.
So I say: "Damn that wicked Fookus! LET US ALL STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS! IT IS UNPRODUCTIVE! IT IS WRONG!"
[Translation: Fookus caught me out and made me look foolish.]
And I have many aliases and stooges in the servant's quarters, so we'll all say it, and churn the issue so the uninformed will get confused, so hopefully I won't get the blame. I really like Caleb.
But Eric was wise, and saw that Fookus (who also likes Caleb) had both:
1. not said what I claimed he had said, and
2. had stated only FACTS as to Caleb's authorship of the guide book and his knowledge as an expert that Achan followed that book.
Alas! Eric no longer trusts me with his important errands until I show I have learned to be more careful, discerning and not to blame others falsely for my own folly and shortcomings.

The long Parable ends here.

For those too dense to grasp the clear meaning of it, Jesus puts them in the Matt. 7:26 Class (don't be lazy, look it up).

Click here for the matter in red and black.

The Ray Franz Fan Club has been infiltrated by some with an agenda far from what Ray must want - and a lot closer to what Bethel would want.

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Focus
(Come to Defend Ray Against His "Fans" Class)

59

Bill Bowen: a 'burial' ONLY for those who can read

by Focus in

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the fleabites received for my speaking the absolute truth, almost entirely free from speculation, in:.

the thread found by clicking here would be hilarious if the matter at hand was not so serious.

i guess the biters generally display the poor reading and reasoning powers, and the huge desire to hero-worship ("my jehovah can beat up your jesus") that got so many embroiled in the cult of lies in the first place.... .

Focus

The character assassin troll IslandWoman is back-pedalling apace. "She" said I was also posting with a screen name more feminine than "Focus".

IslandWoman wrote on Oct 28, 2002 15:20:

Your other, more feminine, screen name is more accommodating and has even claimed to be friends with Ray Franz.

Now, she can't provide that name, though "she" clearly knows it, as she quotes its "claim" re Ray above.

So, put up, or shut up. Name the name then, IslandWoman. What part of that can't you understand?

Focus is totally confident. Why? Because Focus, as ever, is speaking the truth.

As to the IslandWoman Class, why don't I quote from the organization which she so repeatedly attempts to defend: "What confidence can one put in the sincerity or judgment of such persons?" - The Watchtower of May 15, 1976 p297 et seq.

IslandWoman accuses me of attacking Ray Franz. Untrue. In the first page of this very thread I have placed a long list ((a) to (j)) of points in Ray's favor, and have dismissed the really absurd suggestion that he is money-oriented, and have also stated many times that there is no real evidence that he "must have known back then".

I have done just the opposite - if anything, dug Ray out of the hole that his weak-minded AND TOTALLY UNWANTED fan club has dug him into. The issue IS NOT and cannot be whether he should have known a decade or decades ago. I have repeatedly said he was not part of the "innermost" GB. I must therefore accept his word that he did not, and I advise all others to do the same. The issue is that Silentlambs is telling the truth about the Watchtower being a Pedophile Paradise, and some wish to remain in the Ostrich Class about this.

IslandWoman also accuses me of seeking to destroy the Watchtower. Duh. Insight into the Scriptures indeed.

The point is that I won't employ lies and deceit to do it. I leave that to the Watchtower - and to its shameless supporters and apologists.

Entreating Ray to study the evidence and recognize the facts and so get to the right side of this matter is certainly not attacking him. Instead, it is protecting him from some of his brainwashed "Friend"s, whose adulation clouds the issue. The Ray Franz Fan Club has been infiltrated by Mother. No surprise.

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Focus
(Sky Class)

[Edited to add that IslandWoman's Theocratic War Strategy / fantasy trolling is more revealing than amusing]

Edited by - Focus on 31 October 2002 12:32:54

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Focus on Bill Bowen and Ray Franz (CENSORED)

by Focus in

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bill bowen wrote about ray franz in.

* the thread found by clicking here.

his silence regarding abuse causes me to question his ability to stand for what is morally and ethically right.. .

Focus

VeniceIT, LDH, SYN, Skally, thanks for your words of encouragement, and "Hi!" to wasasister (though not from Michigan, sorry).

sf wrote:

Brilliant!

Blush. But please do note that the Focus Fan Club was disbanded by me when H2O fell, if not before.

Now to the howling mob and reasoned critics:

Guest 77
minimus
Jim Rizoli
DannyBear
TheChi
seedy3
terafera

Thanks for the insults and/or suggestions that I have got it all or mainly wrong. Click here to find where "Friend", "Greg Stafford" and many other self-appointed "Supermen" of H2O/JWD etc. made the same assumption, and what transpired thereafter

Now, since I have clearly been too a wee bit too subtle for you, and pretty much the whole fleet has SAILED RIGHT PAST YOUR WATCHTOWER without you noticing, I have placed more material on the Silentlambs matter
RIGHT HERE (Click to view) which will help you understand what Skally (sf), VeniceIT, and no doubt others, have understood in a trice.

Perhaps you could do me the honor of reading it carefully (this time)? You Know how I hang on your words, and how sensitive I am to uninformed criticism.

First hint: This is not about Bill and/or Ray.

JUST FOR YOU(Click to view)

Second hint: See RED.

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Focus
(Honey Class)

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Bill Bowen: a 'burial' ONLY for those who can read

by Focus in

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the fleabites received for my speaking the absolute truth, almost entirely free from speculation, in:.

the thread found by clicking here would be hilarious if the matter at hand was not so serious.

i guess the biters generally display the poor reading and reasoning powers, and the huge desire to hero-worship ("my jehovah can beat up your jesus") that got so many embroiled in the cult of lies in the first place.... .

Focus

I realize you are trying to sabotage this thread, IslandWoman. It won't work. Perhaps I should ignore this, or respond elsewhere, but I'll smack it down "briefly".

IslandWoman wrote in reference to my assertions that I am part of no group, and represent only my own views, and post here only as 'Focus':

BS!
And you do post under another name.

Where is the evidence to support the claim of "BS", silly little person?

And please share with us what is that "another name". (Oh, it was a FEMALE name just a few hours ago, and it was not just posting, but posting ON JWD - so is your story changing already, IslandWoman?)

NAME THE NAME. Put up, or shut up.

I reiterate:
I am part of no group, and represent only my own views, and post here only as 'Focus'.

It is quite common for criminals to accuse the innocent of precisely what they themselves are guilty of. One of the reasons the gaols of the free world are filled with self-proclaimed innocent people. Now, I wonder why I thought about that?

The stench of what happened at H2O follows you around.

Sensitive about H2O now, aren't you?

And there is no "stench" re H2O. A couple of silly people, possessed of inferior (in one case, absurdly inferior) abilities but also possessed of moderator tools, abused or misunderstood their positions and killed the site. Along the way, my devotion to H2O then turned to despair with it, and I left, and twice posted the JWD URL before departing. Shortly thereafter, most serious H2O posters moved here to JWD. Maybe as a result of hearing about it from me, maybe not.

If you believe otherwise, you are an idiot, for it flies in the face of the archive records - whose fond post was the very last one on the original H2O site? Hint: The poster's handle rhymes with Hocus. A shame, as H2O used to be useful. Occasional high jinx by Kent and others, sure... but there was no hope that jWs were going to wander in to Apostofest there anyway. That was the job of the OBEDient Kindergarten Class. Who did not screw up in their more difficult duties!

Kent and others decided they were finished with H2O so they started making trouble, purposely posting pics etc. they knew would be deleted, they picked and picked finally they got their way. They weren't happy just to leave, no they trashed it first!

That is a pretty true account. I said so before.

I do not agree with what Kent etc. did.

Hint #329023: I am not among "Kent and others".

I add that the sabotage began after the said moderator/owner excesses. I have viewed the antics as excessive playfulness.

Does it not occur to you that if the two H2O rogue cancellers had not alienated so many of us, we (i.e. posters like AlanF, Farkel and myself, not prone to post lewd pictures) would have remonstrated with Kent (& Co.?)?

By the time that had started, I, for one, was beyond caring. I had stopped logging in to H2O and only observed it on a casual fly-by later.

H2O's originators killed H2O. Not Kent. He couldn't.

Grow up, and learn from it.

You are a worm. Is JWD your next target?

Thanks, I'll get the apple - and give you the bird.

My ONLY target is the Watchtower. Duh. Don't you understand "Focus"?

And why would JWD be a target? It is IMO run very well, fairly, competently and with the right (i.e. light) degree of overview. When Simon posts, he is treated by me as being A.N.Other Poster. He does not seek to be a Der Rick or a K... sorry Destiny... sorry nnoderator101 (Arrogant Ignoramus Class) Some Theocratic War Strategy by IslandWoman! Fell asleep at TMS, now, didja?

I happen to be able to put two and two together more competently than most (ahem, cough). "Secret things" I am apparently privy to have probably been worked out by me independently.

And no one (including those I generally agree with) has the faintest idea who I am, which suits me fine for the time being.

Run along and play with the kiddies, IslandWoman. You are either wilfully lying, or deceiving yourself as to reality.

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Focus
(Anti-Spiritual Pimps Class)