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  Need Everybody's Help!!

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  might be better off approaching her from a simple "I can't believe a Loving God would kill all the unbeliever's babies and children at the big "A" and this has really been bothering me.".

  The only thing i worry about something like that is she is not the kind of person to run off and do this research herself. She's going to need a big push or she will not question. I think if I only bring up one or two small things, she's the kind that will just set them aside and believe well one little thing here or there doesn't really matter in the grand scheme and all the good they done and got right. I think it's gotta be something to set her a little off balance - like is there really that much to consider?
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  Wow - thanks everybody for the wonderful support and comments.

  thanks IP_Sec, Mrs Smith, reneef, and unique1 for your thoughts.

  to answer some questions:

  Sarah - thanks for the pyramid information - i was looking all over for that quote. i'd like to include at least a portion of that.

  R6 - I'm attempting mainly to show her a series of false statements, predictions, and changes of thought. Then get her to reason on would the Holy Spirit allow those things coming from an organization God is using as his SOLE channel. If he only has one how would there be all these false statements through the years. I know alot of them are old and that's why I emphasize it is the WTBTS that claims 1919 as the date they were chosen. Also if they were wrong those times claiming what they said was through holy spirit, how do we know they are not wrong today. I still let her know in the conclusion i can live with some things being said wrong - what i really don't agree with is that they will cut you off from all family and friends if you disagree with them about something publically. how can they take that stance after the changes they have had to make.

  Gill - I think you're thinking i'm in the same mind frame as my wife - far from it. I've been mentally out for a while now and a slow fader. I totally understand being a JW in no way makes you any more than anyone else. i reached that conclusion years ago. thanks for the comment though!

  ex-nj-jw - I initially had a child molestation page in there but I just couldn't get it feeling right. It seemed it was too accusatory without enough substance backing it up. most of the info i could find the person had been disfellowshipped so i don't think it would have swayed here. i might try to get BA's CD and present something seperate later after i've had more time to review...

  Fe203Girl - my ultimate achievement would be that she fades with me. i guess my fallback goal would just be that she understands why I take the positions i do even if she can't totally agree. hopefully that would allow a child to be brought up with some freedom of choice. but i'm not sure i would have one if she wasn't fading with me - but that's a bridge i'll have to cross when i get to it. i need to see what her reaction is first.

  She's never been exposed to any of this information in any way before. My only hope is that it will be an eye-opener. yes - i realize she may not jump off the boat right away, but i'm hoping if presented right (definately trying not to be harsh - more of a case of well if this is the case what does it mean - like i'm still trying to figure it out too ) then it will put a crack in the dam.

  thanks all again!

  Morph
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  How is Nab eating grass for 7 years ended up being 70 years?

  i was wondering how much of the prophecy stuff to keep in there (pertaining to 607/1914).

  I threw a bunch of it in "Appendix A" specifically to get it out of the main document - but it seemed like

  it had some important ideas if i needed backup. Maybe i take it out of the document

  all together and just have it on standby in case she asks for additional info or questions

  what's already there?
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  just printing pages from this forum won't work

  Well - if you peruse the document, i think at least half of it is direct quotes from the Society's literature. I'm attempting to make it quotes from the literature and commentary on the quotes. If most of us comes either from their mouth or the the Bible I don't know how much manuevering room there is? I'll definately go back through and try to make it more so though, i definately don't want it to sound like it's been copied from a forum, thanks for the input.

  Morph
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  will this just confuse your wife more than actually making her see 'the light'.

  yeah - that is my biggest worry - that is why i still want to shorten and condense alot of these sections. i feel i'm being too wordy but it all seems important to me. so i was kinda hoping some on this site that had too much time on their hands could help me fine-tune and polish the arguments.

  i've got to prove somehow that i have a logical basis for my decisions and i'm not just 'fading' because i'm tired of being a Witness. I would think if i can say look at exhibit A and B and C and D and E and F etc...can't you see something isn't right -it holds more weight than just saying i don't agree with everything they say.

  believe me i'm as confused as anybody as to how to go about this. i feel my marriage, my future as a father, my relationship with both our families, everything depends on what happens here. but as i said in my initial post i owe it to her to explain myself. we want a child. we have a beautiful marriage outside of this one aspect of what my religious leanings and thoughts are now..... i can't just tell her i don't want to discuss it.

  i have to believe.

  Morph
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  Vinny - you have some awesome quotes in that article. Do you have a key as to what all the references mean? I'm trying to make sure I include exactly where I got each quote from so there is no question. For example - what is GA?

  Morph
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  Have you looked at some of the topics in the "best of" section? Good ideas there.

  Definately Yes! i wouldn't be surprised if some people recognized some of the logic and information. Those threads were immensely helpful!

  Have you downloaded the UN's letter?

  Yes - i've got it in PDF form. i'll probably print it off when i print this document and include right after the UN section i have in the doc

  Have you received the Sept. KM? That Question Box could be an eye opener.

  We haven't got ours yet...i wasn't planning on including his as i don't think it's harsh enough - this is one of those things i think is more eye-opening when you are already on the way out. i think alot of JW's will just read it as 'don't look at apostate stuff'' or 'concentrate on the literature from the FDS class'. but if this doc gets her attention - then definately i would attempt to show her the control features in that KM

  Also: the KM inserst about blood fractions. It makes no sense at all. Go over it with her.

  I hadn't considered that yet - i'll have to go back and find it...do you have a Month/Year? would it be in the WT Cd?

  Morph
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

  1. jw
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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  I can fake "the truth" for me but I cant be a part of making my child believe

  Still_In - yep, that's how i feel (though i'm really not doing much faking for myself anymore). I look back at all I had to go through being a Witness as a child and I"M NOT putting mine through those same situations. Hope you can find something in the document to help - some kind of logic or reasoning that may put a chink in the armor. And any suggestions are welcome!
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  I mentioned in my original post that I've got it narrowed down to 50 pages (from 150+ originally)

  I have to cover alot of topics and be convincing in what i do cover. i still feel i'm leaving 90% of what i know out...

  i'd like to get this even smaller if possible - that's why i'm asking for help!
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  Need Everybody's Help!!

  by Metamorphosis in

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  ok - i've placed myself in a make or break situation.

  i don't post a lot so you may not be familiar with me, but feel free to read my initial post on my situation.

  a little has changed - i've now not turned in a service report the last two months (june and july) - first time in 25+ years, it feels great!

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  thanks Candid - i've got a link working. Any way to show a PDF viewer on the page so people don't have to download the file?