nice work purps - I love archaelogical stuff.
quietlyleaving
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Turkey: Archeological Dig Reshaping Human History
by purplesofa infrom newsweekhttp://www.newsweek.com/id/233844/page/1.
history in the remakinga temple complex in turkey that predates even the pyramids is rewriting the story of human evolution.. berthold steinhilber / laif-reduxa pillar at the gobekli tepe temple near sanliurfa, turkey, the oldest known temple in the worldby patrick symmes | newsweekpublished feb 19, 2010from the magazine issue dated mar 1, 2010. .
they call it potbelly hill, after the soft, round contour of this final lookout in southeastern turkey.
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Just out and so happy!
by ange2.0 ini have just gotten out and am free at last!
my brother did so a few years ago and has been such an amazing help to me these last few weeks.
i was raised a jw, disfellowshipped when i was 17, married a non believer and then dragged back in by my family.
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wow so many new ones -
great to have you all here
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our KH (worth half a million ££) is to be sold
by quietlyleaving ina local congregation is the owner.
(this hall occupies an area of 1000sq ft).
other khs to be sold too.... i don't know how many.
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update - heard this week that the whole deal has fallen apart. I don't know the reason, I think probably a combination of factors but 2 months ago it was pretty definite that our hall was going to be sold and this new lease taken up.
So I take it the grant fell through? (JW translation- Satan's opposition)
I hate mega-halls.......(umm resurrection centers)
yknot
at the moment the government is backing charities to boost morale in the community so it is quite likely that JWs would have won their grant and especially so as they had a neutral negotiator on board.
My own speculation is that at some point the proposal would have had to have been put to the tenants association of the block (as the premises the WTS was interested in was beneath a housing block). If this was put to them for a yea or nay then I can well imagine the tenants being horrified at the prospect of truckloads of Jehovahs witnesses arriving at the weekends for their meetings and also every weekday evening (15 congregations per week!). No sane tenant would put up with this imo. Rather than regenerating the neighbourhood it would have been more like invading the neighbourhood!
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our KH (worth half a million ££) is to be sold
by quietlyleaving ina local congregation is the owner.
(this hall occupies an area of 1000sq ft).
other khs to be sold too.... i don't know how many.
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You will now listen to my voice........make the check out to WTBTS.........
Runnnnn!
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How do you cope with a zealous JW wife?
by eyesthatsee ini've been out for a little while now - fading was my chosen strategy.
before then, elder for around 20 years - all the usual stuff.. why leave?
(1) reading other material and thinking for yourself - never too late (2) couldn't stomach any more judicial committees where i had to preside over handing out edicts that were going to wreck peoples' lives (3) final realisation that i'm not going to let my children die because of the false 'blood' interpretation (4) nail in the coffin, which opened my eyes to the 'rotteness at the core' of the organisation, was the deliberate mis-quoting of scientists and others, to make a lie seem like truth.. anyway, my wife (both pioneered together) is as zealous as ever - more so now.
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my husband cried when I was first fading.
Let nature be your guide - she disrupts calm peaceful waters and brings fresh growth with her. Or how about a volcano that rumbles under the surface and reminds everyone who lives in the vicinity not to become complacent. Make friends with the fact that you may always be a rumbler under the surface. I have found it quite satisfying to be busy with other stimulating stuff too to help me cope while rumbling away on/under the surface.
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our KH (worth half a million ££) is to be sold
by quietlyleaving ina local congregation is the owner.
(this hall occupies an area of 1000sq ft).
other khs to be sold too.... i don't know how many.
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update - heard this week that the whole deal has fallen apart. I don't know the reason, I think probably a combination of factors but 2 months ago it was pretty definite that our hall was going to be sold and this new lease taken up.
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Why is it necessary that God be good?
by gubberningbody inif there is a sb (supreme being), there really isn't any logical necessity that it would conform in any manner to what we call "good".
it simply isn't a requirement, and yet for religious people it simply must be that god is good.. .
i wonder if it's love or fear, which causes people to cling to this idea.. .
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thank you Shelly
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Why is it necessary that God be good?
by gubberningbody inif there is a sb (supreme being), there really isn't any logical necessity that it would conform in any manner to what we call "good".
it simply isn't a requirement, and yet for religious people it simply must be that god is good.. .
i wonder if it's love or fear, which causes people to cling to this idea.. .
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aguest
I urge you to reread the Apology and try and “see” just what Socrates was saying. It will help if you start with one of his foremost premises: that only God is wise… and the man who knows that he knows nothing… at all… is wise… by means of knowing these truths.
the Apology is something we will be be delving into soon and I will indeed be a slave of/with Socrates then. I have a strong feeling, though, that I will not be any nearer knowing exactly what he meant.
But I think this topic of goodness and it being necessray for God to be good is worth looking at further especially with regard to Plato and Socrates.
Somebody said that according to the way Socrates and Plato define goodness only goodness can be good. Which reminds us of the WTs' thinking that Jesus only reflects Jehovah's goodness whilst we try to copy Jesus. I think I prefer another interpretation which is that we stand side by side with Jesus. According to this interpretation (of the gospel of Thomas) we are twins of Jesus. Now that is something.
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Why is it necessary that God be good?
by gubberningbody inif there is a sb (supreme being), there really isn't any logical necessity that it would conform in any manner to what we call "good".
it simply isn't a requirement, and yet for religious people it simply must be that god is good.. .
i wonder if it's love or fear, which causes people to cling to this idea.. .
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quietlyleaving
Aguest , I used to be a lot more confused than I am now - I am at last starting to see my way out of the fog.
My conclusion is that Socrates is an extremely valuable thinker but we are going to have to differ as to the reasons why. I'll agree that Plato and Socrates are read to be (and can be read to be) supporters of monotheism but I think they can also be read as supporting atheism. It seems to me that Socrates did try to distance himself from, on the one hand the polytheism of the greeks and on the other hand, from the intellectual/success oriented hard working sophists. I have a lot of of admiration for the sophists and Socrates was also from this group but he seems to have advocated/explored moral excellence as the route to success and happiness. This latter aspect, to me, connects with atheism just as much as it does to monotheism.
But to me Socrates real value lies in his methods of questioning and pushing the limits of thought and coming up with different concepts and challenging conventional ones just like the sophists of his day. Searching for the highest aspects of moral excellence translates to me as living your life to the full but I don't see this necessarily in living a moral life for the sake of morals as he suggests but for the sake of living life as fully as one can. Socrates himself did this in reality and Jesus did too.
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Why is it necessary that God be good?
by gubberningbody inif there is a sb (supreme being), there really isn't any logical necessity that it would conform in any manner to what we call "good".
it simply isn't a requirement, and yet for religious people it simply must be that god is good.. .
i wonder if it's love or fear, which causes people to cling to this idea.. .
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thanks for replying Aguest and making me think.
This is a very interesting passage from Plato and I will be very interested in taking your views on board when we come to study this speech in more detail in a couple of weeks. I have also noticed the similarites between some of what Jesus said and Plato's Socrates.
But an important point to keep in mind is this as you highlighted
O men of Athens, I must beg you not to interrupt me, even if I seem to say something extravagant. For the word which I will speak is not mine. I will refer you to a witness who is worthy of credit; that witness shall be the God of Delphi, he will tell you about my wisdom, if I have any, and of what sort it is. and the charge he is facing is that he corrupts the young. Thus he calls on the witness of the God of Delphi because this God is worthy of credit amongst his accusers and furthermore this God had said that Socrates is wise. It is in this scenario that we need to see his defence speech.