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  If we evolved why is the brain more than we need?

  by cyberjesus in

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  i dont believe in creation anymore.

  according to the evolution theory we adapt based on our needs.

  but the human brain is far superior than our needs.

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  I find it quite useful to think of the brain as a small part of the body and together interfacing with the environment. This organic approach helps me to understand the limits of a strictly rational view and of a strictly irrational view.

  another useful concept is the idea of folding, unfolding and refolding in life and matter. Such ideas can be used to question paradigms like intelligent design, creation and evolution. These paradigms very often put the brain at the top and seem to go hand in hand with all sorts of top heavy worldviews.
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  What Are You Reading?

  by zoiks in

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  ok, here's my current list:.

  i just finished the greatest show on earth by richard dawkins, and am almost finished crisis of conscience by...some guy.. currently in hand, i have:.

  the power of myth, joseph campbell and bill moyers.

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  I'm trying to read Clouds and notice lots of the JWN type humour I've grown quite fond of
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  If we evolved why is the brain more than we need?

  by cyberjesus in

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  i dont believe in creation anymore.

  according to the evolution theory we adapt based on our needs.

  but the human brain is far superior than our needs.

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  cantleave I read the link but it looks to me that the author of the piece has a bee in his bonnet about people who claim and promote psychic powers.
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  If we evolved why is the brain more than we need?

  by cyberjesus in

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  i dont believe in creation anymore.

  according to the evolution theory we adapt based on our needs.

  but the human brain is far superior than our needs.

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  quietlyleaving

  good question cyberjesus.

  imo everything we have is much more than we need or use. thats why I believe in both "creation" and "evolution"
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  Mill Hill Disfellowshippings

  by BorgHater in

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  a few months ago there was a thread about a couple of elders at the mill hill bethel being disfellowshipped because they disagreed with some wt doctrine (i can't recall exactly what it was) and that several other betheliteswere under 'investigation'.

  i haven't heard anything since, does anyone know anything more about this?.

  borghater xx.

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  as far as I know there has not been a cull at the top in that I don't think any branch committee members have either left or been disfellowshipped.

  My advice is to newly disfellowshipped ones is to not out yourself - life is difficult enough as it is.
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  Did the GB/WT said that the “Great Crowd” is going to heaven? May 1, 2002 WT - Question From Readers.

  by tjlibre in

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  in the april 15, 2010 wt study article that contains the new interpretation on the generation quagmire...hurgmm..hurgmm ...teaching.

  there is a box titled are you keeping up with increased light?

  one particular article sparked my interest, the one titled: in which courtyard does the great crowd serve?

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  I don't get it - somebody please explain
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  ASK YOURSELF this question and see what your answer is....

  by Terry in

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  i'm going to ask you a question.

  but first, i'm going to set the question up properly.. the original christianity became officially established when the catholic church found constantine as its protector and defender in the mid 4th century.. that church grew mighty, powerful and exerted an influence over vast reaches of the earth.. the church had an absolute fetish for anything of nature deemed "holy" that might be a relic of jesus or his apostles or (as time went by) any saint.. this took the form of conserving the true cross, splinters from the true cross (one in the pope's ring!

  ) the bones of martyrs, robes, chalices, knuckles, fingers, etc.

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  I don't think the bible itself claims to be a universal authority. Universal authority was given the bible during the period of the reformation and this was done, it seems to challenge the Catholic church. The Catholic Church itself did not take its authorty from the "bible" but from some form of apostolic succession I believe and from the backing of Rome. To say that the Catholic church have endeavoured to hide the "bible" from the masses is simply a powerful "protestant" device to challenge Catholic political and doctrinal authority. We too can use this device to challenge authority and doctrine (the WTS').

  I think parts of the bible can do this because they have the power to galvanise ordinary people to be heroic. A hero of course does not look to material rewards and is prepared to undergo extreme adversity and not give up. They were called saints and holy ones and we can learn from them

  So yes I agree with you Terry
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  ASK YOURSELF this question and see what your answer is....

  by Terry in

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  i'm going to ask you a question.

  but first, i'm going to set the question up properly.. the original christianity became officially established when the catholic church found constantine as its protector and defender in the mid 4th century.. that church grew mighty, powerful and exerted an influence over vast reaches of the earth.. the church had an absolute fetish for anything of nature deemed "holy" that might be a relic of jesus or his apostles or (as time went by) any saint.. this took the form of conserving the true cross, splinters from the true cross (one in the pope's ring!

  ) the bones of martyrs, robes, chalices, knuckles, fingers, etc.

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  Interesting points Terry

  I was reading little about the history of the period and the strikingly new form of worship that evolved. Whereas an integral part of the worship of the Romans and Jew was the use of sacred community places, rituals, shrines, synagogues and sacrifices etc the chrisitans were different. Their faith was centred on personal faith,expression and preaching.

  The fact that Constantine's wife showed such interest in relics shows a tendency to express her worship in a similar form to that of a Roman. BTW I'm not saying this to denigrate Roman aspects of christianty. Other christians gave primacy to the spoken word. This had the effect that the gospel could be dessiminated over wide areas. Then of course there were the judaisers who tended towards keeping a connection to the jewish way of life and all things Roman was anathema. This was a time of flux, change and controversy but most of all a rich source of inspiration and meaning whatever the form of worship

  Also I guess what I'm trying to say is what GLT says below.

  Doesn't it seem very odd to you...that...THE BIBLE itself was NOT PRESERVED?? That's a puzzling statement to me. The thing is, the Bible wasn't the unified work(s) we know today until centuries after Christ, when Christians could practice and communicate their faith openly. Before then, it existed as many different books and letters, and no one group accepts all of them to this day. The biblical canon wasn't formally completed (by Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, churches) until the time of the Reformation. So saying "the Bible", as though there has always been a definitive version, is misleading. Ever since there were books of the New Testament (let alone the very concept of a New Testament), there have been different collections of the various works collectively known as the Bible. The various churches' efforts to standardize their Bibles were an effort to find order amid the scriptural chaos ensuing from centuries of Roman persecution, not a casual disregard of an ideal Bible that never existed. GLT
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 01-24-10 WT Study (BROTHERLY LOVE)

  by blondie in

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  review comments will be in red or headed by comments.

  "--john 13:34,35.. comments.

  fellow believers.. comments.

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  Q8,9. How can Paul's counsel recorded at Romas 15:7 help us to greet one another in a way that enhances our brotherly love? 8 In the matter of greeting one another, Paul’s words to the Romans can help us develop the proper view of our fellow worshippers. (Read Romans 15:7.) The Greek word there rendered “welcome” means “to receive kindly or hospitably, admit to one’s society and friendship.” When a hospitable host in Bible times received friends into his home, he let them know how happy he was to see them. Christ has figuratively welcomed us in that way, and we are exhorted to imitate him in welcoming fellow worshippers.

  Romans 15:7 can be a very encouraging scripture for "anointed ones"/ those who would like a closer relationship with Christ than the FDS permits. The greek word προσλαμβανεσθε means to take to oneself. So the verse could read Take to yourselves one another as also the Christ took us to himself into God's glory. Doesn't that verse sound more powerful and awesome than the way it is rendered in the NWT?
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  The JEHOVAH game (a modern fetish)

  by Terry in

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  1.we use a name to distinguish one entity from another to avoid confusion.. 2.if there is only one of something it is one of a kind.

  elivis is elvis and those who pretend to be him are impersonators.

  those who pretend to be jesus are false or pseudo-christs.

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  Jehovah is the supreme God and he is supreme over everything, every thought, he is beyond question and challenge - no one, nothing else is allowed the light of day. Surely this will make him topple like the huge image in Daniel's prophecy