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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

Was looking at the list of "logical fallacies"because Cofty so often draws reference to them...

there is honestly a lot to think about there. It makes one wonder if you can hardly make any

statements at all without falling into what is perceived as a" logical fallacy"

(OOOPPPSS......I think I just fall into the generalization fallacy !!!) tee hee hee !!

P.S. rumor has it that Cofty's favourite logical fallacy is..

No true Scotsman

Alice: All Scotsmen enjoy haggis.

Bob: My uncle is a Scotsman, and he doesn't like haggis!

Alice: Well, all true Scotsmen like haggis

cheers to you buddy !

http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm

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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

But it is misleading in this context to call it faith.

choose a better word for me then

Are not the expectations we face daily in life nothing less than a reflection of our faith.. faith in something ?

"

The three grand essentials of happiness are: Something to do, someone to love, and something to hope fo

r." [1]

Is not the idea of hope closely related to faith ?

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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

OK putting the "rules" aside can you see how your assertion that atheism takes faith is not valid?

this makes

my head spin because I think all persons would want to be thought of as having faith. What do you think about this quote below

it's reasoning ? Is faith a dirty word ? How can faith not underlie all that we trust and beleive in ?

Beside cold hard facts there must be conclusions that touch your emotions... that motivate you

If we are presented with a lack of evidence in a mystery, how do we go about solving it? assuming this is a mystery which “must” be solved, we first take a look at the evidence. Then when we find out there is a lack of evidence, we create theories. theories are like educated guesses. Once we choose to accept one theory over another, it is purely faith.

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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

@ Cofty ....it seems often you find I have broken some" rules of Hoyle "

strawman, slippery slope etc..

Maybe you could just put the whole list up here for me to ponder more carely for future posts !! hee hee hee !!

Seeing that you spend years both as a JW and another religion ( can't recall which ) there had to be something

that kept you there, so belief of faith of some sort must have been present at least at that time.

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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

When we argue the 'absolutes' this same person advises us against doing so.

Faith IS an absolute.

I contend that absolute certainty as with proof or facts requires more

A universal negative requires absolute knowledge (omniscience) whereas a universal positive may not require that.

For instance, let’s say I am in a building with 4 rooms, and I have only been in 1 room. In order to say that every room is empty, I would have to have knowledge of all 4 rooms. I would need to know the entirety of what I am claiming to know.

However, to state the opposite, that the building is not empty, I would at the very least only need to know about one room.

So, in essence, any time a person claims that there is absolutely no God, they are claiming absolute and full knowledge of the universe

(omniscience). If they are not claiming absolute knowledge, than they are going off of faith, but in fact, since they could never EVER know for sure

that universal negative, then they are requiring much more faith than a person who claims there is a God (because finding out if there is a God may

not require absolute knowledge). ..... so in this sense yes faith can be absolute without full knowledge

Faith is an absolute ... lets go with your statement here

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What does faith mean to you?

by exwhyzee in

jw
friends

we all memorized the definition of faith... faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for...yadda yadda.. it seems like more and more as time goes by and our scientific knowledge base grows, we need less and less faith and fewer things can be attributed to god.. do you think we need faith or is faith just a word we use to feel ok about being too lazy to keep looking for the answers ?.

what does faith mean to you now?.

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caliber

"Literally billions of ideas and beliefs can be suggested to be true. We can propose assumptions, and make eloquent arguments based on those

assumptions, which will send us off in any direction we might wish to go. Every day we see people who are certain of the absolute truth of their

beliefs, never realizing they have subconsciously talked themselves into accepting as fundamentally and absolutely true that which is, and must be,

based on their assumptions Yet even though "anything" may be true, we must not allow ourselves to become casual observers applying logical

arguments to first "prove", and then "disprove", fundamental beliefs about the nature and meaning of life. We should put aside all assumptions and

beliefs; take a journey into their heart, mind, and soul; and then decide what they want to believe is true."

http://www.lifenotes.org/Truth,%20belief,%20and%20faith.htm

"Faith is letting go of expected absolutes about life , it's source and meaning " ~~ Cal

Faith is a process---belief is what you do with that faith.

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Blondie is awesome!!!

by Sheep2slaughter in

jw
friends

i'm just sayin... blondie...are you a lawyer or investigator or what!?

her/your weekly watchtower comments we won't hear at the watchtower indoctrination are amazing.

so much work.

caliber

calm ,cool, collected , considerate , concise ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH3Q_CZy968

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

caliber

In the United States, the male circumcision rate is falling just when a gathering body of evidence suggests the procedure could reduce the transmission risk for HIV and STDs.

And while Medicaid reimburses one-third of all circumcisions annually, sixteen states, including California, Florida and Maine, have cut such coverage. From 1993 to 2003, circumcision rates have declined from 63.5 percent to 55.9 percent. In the 1960s, nine of 10 boys were circumcised.

A recent randomized trial involving 3,200 men in South Africa found such overwhelming evidence that circumcision was associated with lower HIV risk that the study was ended early. Other smaller studies suggested the procedure protects against gonorrhea and syphilis. In 2003, a review of 2,000 male inner-city STD clinic patients found uncircumcised men were twice as likely as circumcised men to have either or both infections.

http://www.thebody.com/content/art24703.html

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

caliber

A US survey of new mothers:

In a survey of new mothers in the USA, hygiene and appearance were the two major reasons for choosing to have their newborn son circumcised [Williamson & Williamson, 1988]. There was a strong correlation between their son's circumcision status and the woman's ideal male partner's circumcision status for intercourse. Thus by being circumcised they thought that their sons would likewise be more attractive to a future sexual partner (with the implication that they would be at an advantage in passing on their, and therefore the mother's, genes to the subsequent generation). Their own preference thus affected their choice for their sons.

In this US study, 92% said the circumcised penis was cleaner, 90% said it looked "sexier", 85% it felt nicer to touch and 55% smelled more pleasant. Even women who had only ever had uncircumcised partners preferred the look of the circumcised penis. versus uncircumcised was 71% versus 6%, respectively; manual stimulation, 75% versus 5%; visual appeal, 76% versus 4%.

What then is sexier about a circumcised penis? Quite likely it is that the glans is exposed in both the erect and un-erect state.

http://www.circinfo.net/socio_sexual_aspects.html

Canadian survey of mothers:

In Canada the reasons mothers gave for getting their infant boys circumcised were health or hygiene 44.4%, to be like their father, siblings or peers 35.6%, religion 17.3% and other reasons 2.7%

Australian survey of parents:

A survey in 2007 of parents who were having their sons circumcised in a circumcision clinic in Melbourne found that the most common perceived benefit was hygiene (96%) [Xu & Goldman, 2008]. Other reasons were family tradition (57%), medical benefit (36%) and esthetics, with 14% believing it improved sexual performance/enjoyment as an adult and looked better to women

Women’s preferences and sexual satisfaction:

As mentioned above, the gold standard of epidemiological evidence is the randomized controlled trial. One, involving 455 women, found that the overwhelming majority (97%) of women reported either no change (57%) or improved (40%) sexual satisfaction after their male partners had been circumcised [Kigozi et al., 2009a]. The authors concluded that male circumcision has no deleterious effect on female sexual satisfaction, and that it might, moreover, have social benefits in addition to the established health benefits. Speculation about any possible adverse effect on female sexual satisfaction was dispelled.

Women with circumcised lovers were more likely to reach a simultaneous climax - 29% vs. 17% of the study population grouped across the orgasmic spectrum of boxes for ticking labeled "together", "man first", "man after" and "never come"; some ticked more than one box.

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

caliber

honestly... how many porn stars would appear uncircumcised ???

I agree with the new consensus on the idea but all the women in my day said they preferred circumcision

for their husbands ( of course most were JW's )