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  abortion vs holocaust

  by unstopableravens in

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  cofty: im not a biologist, but doesnet that just split into two embryos within the first week of conception? ~~Unstop

  The degree of separation of the twins in utero depends on if and when they split into two zygotes. Dizygotic twins were always two zygotes. Monozygotic twins split into two zygotes at some time very early in the pregnancy. The timing of this separation determines the chorionicity and amniocity (the number of sacs) of the pregnancy. Dichorionic twins either never divided (i.e.: were dizygotic) or they divided within the first 4 days. Monoamnionic twins divide after the first week.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin

  Though difficult to deal with, are not these cojoined twins individuals... with a right to love ...to have hopes and dreams ?

  

  Are their lives valueless to you ?
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  Interview with a JW (I am not an Apostate): KateWild

  by KateWild in

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  tell us a little about yourself and your family.. i live in liverpool uk.

  i have two kids.

  my parents told me i was joining a cult, turn out they were right.

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  Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God , actually a rebellion against Jehovah God.

  the stop line

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  Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovahs organization.

  Thanks KateWild I belief the WT is trying to add to the definition with these added thoughts

  they could have stopped with the yellow quote section.. but that would defeat their' purpose and their added power of enforcement

  "Not only do they abandon the true faith but they then beat their former associates, using public criticism and other methods to hinder their work; the efforts of such apostates are devoted to tearing down, not building up"

  this quote describes a heretic

  Heresy is any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs. Heresy is distinct from both apostasy, which is the explicit renunciation of one's religion, principles or cause,

  It is blasphemy which I reject and fear... is this the case with you KateWild ?

  Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
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  Interview with a JW (I am not an Apostate): KateWild

  by KateWild in

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  tell us a little about yourself and your family.. i live in liverpool uk.

  i have two kids.

  my parents told me i was joining a cult, turn out they were right.

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  Sam... great post :)... I am proud of you... and YES you are an apostate (in JW terms)... just not a bitter one ;

  ** rs 34-7 Apostasy *** Apostasy
  
  Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God , actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovahs organization.

  How long have you now been out?
  I have missed 2 meetings. So that's 1 week, but mentally I learned TTATT, 10 months ago. ~~KateWild

  Did you get baptised? When and why? ~~
  Yes at about 20yrs, I was mislead this was the true religion and believed the lies. ~~~ KateWild

  Is it because you have not taken a public stand or have not yet abandoned all the meetings etc, that offically you are not an apostate ?

  Is it your view (as is mine ) that apostasy is rejection of God not an organization ?

  "Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God "

  If you are not ready to accept this label why enter into confusion with this other topic ?

  Interview with an Apostate

  Is it some sort of therapeutic release for you ... testing the waters of your own inner belief system ?
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  Proper grammar and "This Generation"

  by Crazyguy in

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  i was never good at spelling and probably worse at grammar.

  so if jesus really ment that the phrase "this generation" was an over lapping of generations then what would of been the proper way of saying it, if at all????

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  (Numbers 32:13) "So Jehovah’s anger blazed against Israel and he made them wander about in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation that was doing evil in the eyes of Jehovah came to their end."

  Forty is an interesting number for judgement

  Of all the types and shadows of the Old Testament, none is as pervasive and important as the shadows revealed in the relationship between "forty," and the fulfillment of promises.

  The rains (in Noah's day) fell for 40 days and nights (Genesis 7:4). Israel ate Manna for 40 years (Exodus 16:35). Moses was with God in the mount, 40 days and nights (Exodus 24:18). Moses was again with God 40 days and 40 nights (Exodus 34:28). Moses led Israel from Egypt at age 80 (2 times 40), and after 40 years in the wilderness, died at 120 (3 times 40; Deuteronomy 34:7). The spies searched the land of Canaan for 40 days (Numbers 13:25). Therefore, God made Israel wander for 40 years (Numbers 14:33-34). 40 stripes was the maximum whipping penalty (Deuteronomy 25:3). God allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 3:11). God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 5:31). God again allowed the land to rest for 40 years (Judges 8:28). Abdon (a judge in Israel) had 40 sons (Judges 12:14). Israel did evil; God gave them to an enemy for 40 years (Judges 13:1). Eli judged Israel for 40 years (1 Samuel 4:18). Goliath presented himself to Israel for 40 days (1 Samuel 17:16). Saul reigned for 40 years (Acts 13:21). Ishbosheth (Saul's son) was 40 when he began reign (2 Samuel 2:10). David reigned over Israel for 40 years (2 Samuel 5:4, 1 Kings 2:11). The holy place of the temple was 40 cubits long (1 Kings 6:17). 40 baths (measurement) was size of lavers in Temple (1 Kings 7:38). The sockets of silver are in groups of 40 (Exodus 26:19 & 21). Solomon reigned same length as his father; 40 years (1 Kings 11:42). Elijah had one meal that gave him strength 40 days (1 Kings 19:8). Ezekiel bore the iniquity of the house of Judah for 40 days (Ezekiel 4:6). Jehoash (Joash) reigned 40 years in Jerusalem (2 Kings 12:1). Egypt to be laid desolate for 40 years (Ezekiel 29:11-12). Ezekiel's (symbolic) temple is 40 cubits long (Ezekiel 41:2). The courts in Ezekiel's temple were 40 cubits long (Ezra 46:22). God gave Nineveh 40 days to repent (Jonah 3:4). Jesus fasted 40 days and nights (Matthew 4:2). Jesus was tempted 40 days (Luke 4:2, Mark 1:13). Jesus remained on earth 40 days after resurrection (Acts 1:3). Women are pregnant for 40 weeks (time of testing).

  http://www.40day.com/40_in_the_bible.html

  The number forty is used by God to represent a period of testing or judgment (the length of time necessary to accomplish some major part of Gods plan in his dealings with various portions of mankind)

  Jehovah gave man 120 years to flood from warning ( 3 x 40) ?

  2,520 years (63 x 40) ?
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  serious question for evolutionist,

  by unstopableravens in

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  and if you see a koala you know they didn't walk to australia from the middle east. Why not just leave the Koala bears right where they started ?

  The Flood as universal insofar as mankind was concerned since the human race was reduced to eight souls only, but local insofar as extent is concerned since man was at that time still confined to a comparatively small geographical area.

  So we begin with a brief examination of the Hebrew word (eretz) which is translated "earth," as in Genesis 6:4, 5, 6, 11, 12, etc. According to Young's Analytical Concordance, the Hebrew word is translated "country" 140 times, "ground" 96 times and "earth" and "land" frequently. It is also rendered "field" once and by several other words in a very small number of instances. Assuming that Young's list is exhaustive, actual count shows that the word is translated "earth" about 677 times and translated "land" 1,458 times. Moreover, of the 677 occurrences, in at least one hundred instances the word may be equally, if not more appropriately, rendered "land" rather than "earth." Whereas in the cases where it is translated "land" in the English, the instances in which "earth" would have been more appropriate are rare. That is to say, the choice of "earth" or "land" as a translation of the original in any particular instance is a matter of context: and on the whole, if we exclude the account of the Flood, usage elsewhere shows that the context favours the word land rather than earth. To put this another way, Hebrew writers evidently employed the word with its much more restricted meaning about four times as frequently as they employed it with a broader meaning. Where they wished to make it absolutely clear that they meant "earth" in the sense of soil, the word (adamah) was used, as for example in Genesis 2:5, "there was not a man to till the ground." And where they wished

  Effects of the Curvature of the Earth

  Because of the curvature of the earth, the horizon drops from where the viewer is standing. However, the drop is proportional to the square of the distance between the viewer and an object on the horizon (Young nd). From these relationships, it can be seen that a tribal chief (or Noah) standing on the deck of a large boat (Ark), perhaps 7.8 meters above the water,would not be able to see the tops of any hills as high as 15 m from as little as 24 km away across flood plains covered with water because the curvature of the earth prevents it (See the Appendix for examples of calculations). Most hills in this region that are as much as 15 m high are more than 95 km away from the river levees. Therefore, the survivors of the Flood could see only water in all directions while they were floating down the Tigris River and over the flood plains. Many of these hills would also be partly covered with water which would make their tops project less above the water level, and therefore, the curvature of the earth would make them disappear from the line of sight in even a shorter distance than 24 km.

  New International Version

  Jeremiah 4:27 his is what the LORD says: "The whole land will be ruined, though I will not destroy it completely.

  GOD'S WORD® Translation
  This is what the LORD says: The whole earth will be ruined, although I will not destroy it completely.
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  We the rank and file are prophets

  by Crazyguy in

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  i have the elders coming to my home soon and need help finding a watchtower where thay stated that the regular publishers were also prophets, i think it came out about 2007 i think but not sure..

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  The New American Bible correctly states: “Prophet means ‘one who speaks for another,’ especially for God. It does not necessarily mean that he predicts the future ~~~ 1986 Awake 8 June p9! ~~~ quoted above Bluesbrother

  The scripture uses the phrase "prays or prophecies". (1 Cor 11:5)~~~~~.leaving_quietly

  While a agree that the WT has tried to make predictions about the future , I think it is wise to see the context in which they use this word...one who speaks for another, (thoughts expressed in these two quotes above )

  In other words find one of many other things to complain about !
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  new watchtower on jw.org Americans don't know their own history

  by hoser in

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  i started reading the feb 2014 public watchtower about a war that changed the world.

  i had to do a double take in the very first paragraph.. .

  "a century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war.

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  "As the war progressed, Canada’s successes in battles like those at Vimy Ridge, France and Passchendaele, Belgium, had earned its army the reputation for being the best-attacking Allied troops on the Western Front. When the Allies planned the offensives that would ultimately win the war, Canada’s soldiers were given the responsibility of being at the forefront of the attacks"

  .http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/history/first-world-war/fact_sheets/hundred-days

  There was some bitterness let me say among Canadian soldiers like my (English birthed ) but Canadian Grandfather

  they jokingly had this expression " The Americans claim they won the war .....but the Canadians won it the day before "

  

  Canadians entering the Square in Cambrai, France, October, 1918. Photo credit: Library and Archives Canada PA-040231

  My grandfather fought through four years of hell... God rest his soul.. & lived to tell about it... though few would ever spoke of it
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  new watchtower on jw.org Americans don't know their own history

  by hoser in

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  i started reading the feb 2014 public watchtower about a war that changed the world.

  i had to do a double take in the very first paragraph.. .

  "a century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war.

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  atomic bomb (in 1945), or better yet, the landing on the Moon (in 1969). Surely if building a mud ziggurat warranted mention in Genesis (the Tower of Babel), travelling thru space to land on the Moon was an event that warranted at least SOME prophetic mention in the Bible?

  How about 1957 ? ....

  "Raymond Franz claimed that in 1980, unease with doctrines surrounding the significance of 1914 surfaced within the Governing Body. In February of

  that year, three Governing Body members—aware that those who had been alive in 1914 were dying out despite the teaching that their generation

  would live to see Armageddon—proposed a doctrinal change to identify the "generation" who would see Armageddon as those who witnessed the

  1957 launch of the Russian satellite Sputnik, which would be considered a 'sign in heaven'." (that would have involved the "evil " Russians though) )

  Moving 1914 to 1957 could have brought another 43 years of grace without the overlap theory
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  new watchtower on jw.org Americans don't know their own history

  by hoser in

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  i started reading the feb 2014 public watchtower about a war that changed the world.

  i had to do a double take in the very first paragraph.. .

  "a century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war.

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  A century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war. They went eagerly, swept along by a wave of patriotism. "I am happy and full of excitement over the wonderful days ahead," wrote an American volunteer in 1914."

  Didn't the Yanks only join the conflict in 1917 after the sinking of the Lusitania?

  Perhaps this volunteer , like a great uncle of mine , who migrated to the U.S. but then went back to fight for his mother country

  when war broke out in 1914. My grandfather , his brother also went back to England early in 1914 from a homestead in Canada.

  though they were both English one fought for England... one fought with Canadian troops

  A century ago, millions of young men left the security of their homes and went off to war. They went eagerly, swept along by a wave of patriotism.

  It doesn't actually say "millions of American men" left eagerly in 1914

  It's not saying America is the "centre of the universe.". it is only implied
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  The Right Religion Demonstrates True Faith In Jesus Christ

  by pronomono in

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  the week of december 9th, i have the talk "the right religion demonstrates true faith in jesus christ" base on the reasoning book rs p329.

  the following is the suggested material.. istruefaithinjesuschristbeingdemonstrated?

  this involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of jesus human life and of his position today as heavenly king.

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  True faith is evidenced by a change in the way we act towards others
  
  True faith, dependence/reliance/trust, in God reveals itself in our actions, our thought life, and our priorities.

  We will love God with all our hearts and we will love others as we love ourselves ( (Matt. 22:37-39).

  Almost everyone believes that faith involves feelings. But physical feelings merely come from the human senses and have nothing whatsoever to do

  with what God promises—or faith!

  Human beings accept knowledge that they have received through the five senses—seeing, hearing, smelling, touching and tasting. These senses all

  involve physical information—physical knowledge. The mind receives and processes this information in order to draw conclusions about

  circumstances, things and events taking place around it. Faith is spiritual, not physical. It is a confident assurance, which comes from the Spirit of God in the mind of a converted human being.

  While ‘faith’ surely includes the element of ‘belief’, they are not one and the same. Certainly one must believe that something, or someone, exists

  before it is possible to put one’s faith in that person or thing.“Belief” can be simply a passive mental acceptance which amounts to nothing when it

  comes to how it affects our life. Simply to say “I believe in God” means very little if it is merely coming from the lips and not from the heart

  To put one’s ‘faith’ in something, or someone, means that one is putting his or her trust in that person or thing.

  Faith is built on love and trust