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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

The story is recounted in 1 Kings 3:16-28 . Two young women who lived in the same house and who both had an infant son came to Solomon for a judgment. One of the women claimed that the other, after accidentally smothering her own son while sleeping, had exchanged the two children to make it appear that the living child was hers. The other woman denied this and so both women claimed to be the mother of the living son and said that the dead boy belonged to the other.

After some deliberation, King Solomon called for a sword to be brought before him. He declared that there was only one fair solution: the live son must be split in two, each woman receiving half of the child. Upon hearing this terrible verdict, the boy's true mother cried out, "Oh Lord, give the baby to her, just don't kill him!" The liar, in her bitter jealousy, exclaimed, "It shall be neither mine nor yours—divide it!"

Which of these women to you admire and respect the most ?

The greatest" compassion" we hope to see is from "the would be mother" of a child... her natural love would allow another

women to raise her child rather than kill her baby .

Also surely the laws can be "refined"so if the life of the mother is at risk this would be given first priority..

I agree that it isn't always black and white. However, you are also focusing on the exceptions rather than addressing the morality of abortion in the vast majority of cases where it simply is an unwanted baby. ~~~Mrhhome

Is there a need to open the flood gates to every abortion ?

Clearly there is difference between life for life vs life for death

If a choice must be made ( in such a case ), yes the mother's life would be valued more (as sad and unfair as it seems for the unborn child)

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

Some seeking abortion rights use Hitler and/ or Holocaust for shock value I guess.. their actions go far beyond negative images and insults

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/12/99297-rabid-topless-feminists-attack-group-praying-men-protecting-cathedral-vandalism/

A group of Catholic men praying outside a cathedral – and protecting it from vandalism – were attacked by a horde of topless, pro-abort feminists. It was absolute viciousness. Besides verbal abuse, these women spit on them and spray painted their crotches because that will totally progress feminism as a movement, or something

The women, many of them topless, spray-painted the men’s crotches and faces and swastikas on their chests and foreheads, using markers to paint their faces with Hitler-like moustaches [sic]. They also performed obscene sexual acts in front of them and pushed their breasts onto their faces, all the while shouting “get your rosaries out of our ovaries.”

Once you drop moral guidellines where does it stop ? as seen below ....

According to InfoCatolica, some of the women chanted a song, with the lyrics: “To the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, who wants to get between our sheets, we say that we want to be whores, travesties and lesbians. Legal abortion in every hospital.”

During the attack some men were visibly weeping. None of them retaliated against the abuses heaped on them.

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

Comparing abortion to the holocaust is not insulting??

the biggest insult of all is if no one even wished to heard your song.. forgotten ....of no account for all eternity

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Hello, its good to be back, seriously!

by AllTimeJeff in

jw
friends

for the last year or so, the opening lyrics to gloria estefan's "always tomorrow" have been howling at me.. i've been alone inside myself, far too long.

never really wanted it that way, but i let it happen..... .

(btw, the message in that song is great for former jw's, if you want to think about the lyrics that way....).

caliber

Jeff, Jeff , Jeff one of the sharpest tools on the block ...ever

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

“I certainly supported a woman's right to choose, but to my mind the time to choose was before, not after the fact.”
― Ann B. Ross, (crossing your legs is more effective than crossing your fingers )

I feel the greatest destroyer of peace today is 'Abortion', because it is a war against the child... A direct killing of the innocent child, 'Murder' by the mother herself... And if we can accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love... And we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts...”
― Mother Teresa

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

know reason on a topic like this is like spitting upwind, but what if life starts with breath? Then protect the infant from harm; a viable, living, breathing human being. ~~~jgnat

Why remove a pic of an abortion if its not life until it takes a breath. why is a glob of cells dying graphic? ~~ Raven

I think Raven the reason they start a breach birth and then suction out the brain is so the head is still in ..." the glob" hasn't taken a breath yet so

they can't be charged with" killing" a "viable breathing human being"... plus no one is forced to hear the haunting screams of distress ..that would occur

if they waited like 1 minute more till after the head appeared...

to be given the breath of life rather than the knife of death !

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

Reminder to all posters to refrain from posting graphic abortion photos. If you won't watch it at your local movie theatre, then don't post it here.

Trust me, imagination can do the job just fine.

Would holocaust photo's or penciled diagram

of such be acceptable here or is abortion worse than the holocaust ?

Look at this image for a minute..... or is it too offensive ?( My penciled diagram was removed)

Who are you thinking of right now... the mother or the child ?

Imagine being a part of the real event... living with this image burnt into your brain for life

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

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Identical twins prove that a zygote is not "a living individual"

There is never a “dead” phase — life is continuous... a genetic code has been set into action !

But we get into other issues... what is the spark of life that begins or authorizes your exists ?

Do I personally ...being an identical twin , lack a soul or spirit ? ... can a spirit be split ?

I know my spirit is separate from my brother ..such things tell me that the spirit does exist apart from flesh

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

do you see a difference between the holocaust and an egg farm?

It is not differences but the similarities that is troublesome.. someone gets to choose who will live or die

Why Did Hitler Kill 11 Million People?

Hitler had a vision of a Master Race of Aryans that would control Europe. He used very powerful propaganda techniques to convince not only the German people, but countless others, that if they eliminated the people who stood in their way and the degenerates and racially inferior, they - the great Germans would prosper.

Someone gets to choose who will live or die

based on things out of your control , your sex, your race, , sexual preference .. timing of your birth .. mental abilities

All these factors would interfer with the quality and dreams he had for Germany to be strong & prosper & be feel burden free

If we freely decide who is entitled to begin life... what about the at the end of life, will we freely decide who of the sick or infirmed

gets to continue living ?

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abortion vs holocaust

by unstopableravens in

caliber

it's a long call between comparing two types of ignorants and comparing industrial torture and mass murder to the freedom of choice to remove unwanted or potentially life threatening cells from your own body.

Sounds like zygotes are being compared to cancer

Such zygotes contain DNA derived from both parents, and this provides all the genetic information necessary to form a new individual