On the 11th of this month it'll be a year that i have been disfellowshipped.
i didn't dread being disfellowshipped mostly because i had underestimated the resolve of individual witness friends of mine to shun me. I aslo had no idea what being all alone from one day to the next felt like.
a few days ago i had a weird dream.
I love books and i'm always in some barnes and noble or borders store. So in my dream i go to pick up a book i had ordered. I get to the pick-up counter, the guy looks for my order on the computer and then tells me "i'm sorry but it's been brought to my attention that you're disfellowshipped....". I don't let him finish his sentence because the room is spinning around me and i'm ready to burst into tears. He tells me to not make a scene and to sit at a table nearby where he comes to talk to me in a hushed voice. He basically tells me that i can't come to the store anymore or order books from them because i was disfellowshipped. Then comes the realization that i had tried to hide it from the world. Being disfellowshipped was no longer only among witnesses but i was going to be shunned by the whole world little by little.
i woke up very sad and have been feeling this way ever since that dream.
When trying to explain how i felt right after being disfellowshipped to a 'worldly acquaintance' i said:
imagine your country is the only part of the world that is inhabited and the rest is an endless desert. I feel like i've been outcast into the desert and can't go back in"
i think those old feelings revisited me during this dream.
How did some of you live being disfellowshipped? those first few weeks when your whole life changes completely.
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nearing the anniversary
by 4digitcode inon the 11th of this month it'll be a year that i have been disfellowshipped.
i didn't dread being disfellowshipped mostly because i had underestimated the resolve of individual witness friends of mine to shun me.
i aslo had no idea what being all alone from one day to the next felt like.
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nearing the anniversary
by 4digitcode inon the 11th of this month it'll be a year that i have been disfellowshipped.
i didn't dread being disfellowshipped mostly because i had underestimated the resolve of individual witness friends of mine to shun me.
i aslo had no idea what being all alone from one day to the next felt like.
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ooooh looky i'm a junior member!!! lol
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SURVEY: Who Believes In "God"?
by minimus inand by that i mean the supreme being or jehovah or jesus or buddah or whatever you might consider to be "god".
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i believe that maybe god created us but he is not present anymore.
if that's not the case, i believe there is a universal intelligence. an order and wisdom that has evolved over millions of years.
I hope god exists but that makes me wonder how he can let all this suffering happen.
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jw Massage therapist
by carla inwhat is the deal with this?
it seems i hear more and more about some jw woman who is a massage therapist.
i can't think of a more unseemly occupation for a jw woman that is legal.
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anewme:"If the therapist can keep his or her pants on and force the clients to behave too I think it would be a really lucrative and satisfying career."
you sound so ignorant, you don't even have a clue how much. maybe you're just PROJECTING what you would do in such a situation onto others.
anewme:"There are medical massage therapists who perform medical massage under the professional license of a
medical doctor or licensed chiropractor who is required by law to be onsite during the massage treatments. Often massages performed in a professional office atmosphere of this kind are done during normal business hours and with many other people in the office and are usually done partially draped.
This may be the kind of massage you are offering to the public which after years receives respect and praise."
my reply: Massage therapy can stand on its own 2 feet. although it closely collaborates and it is vigorously recommended to have a good relationship with the medical profession it doesn't need to use it as a crutch.
People who think inside the box and jump on the bandwagon once a majority gives its ok are not innovators but just followers. I for myself don't need that type of security and am sure glad i don't. -
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jw Massage therapist
by carla inwhat is the deal with this?
it seems i hear more and more about some jw woman who is a massage therapist.
i can't think of a more unseemly occupation for a jw woman that is legal.
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i'm fuming now!!!
anewme:
first of all I have to complete almost 1600 hours of study along with case studies plus 600 hours of in salon experience to get my diploma. So to say that i get little education for the amount of responsibility i have is a stupid assumption on your part.
yesterday i massaged a woman who had just had a minor operation on her arm to remove a mole.
i had to ask her if the mole was benign or malignant? if she had any other moles on her body? if these had been checked as well? since she told me it was all fine and SIGNED it in her consultation form i was able to give her a treatment OR ELSE i would ask for a written consent form from her doctor. AND THAT IS JUST ONE OF MY CLIENTS. I have to do the whole bloody thing over again for each client i have.
i hold a diploma as a beautician and i'm constantly having to ask if people are on medically prescribed exfoliants, if they have nut allergies, if they suffer from diabetes, epilepsy, or urinary system disorders, if they have metal pins and plates, cancer,etc. For each ailment there is a detailed course of action to be taken. and it's not innate for you to know these things you must go to school for it!
second:
you obviously know little about the profession since you don't even know what the licensing requirements are outside your own little part of the world.
you liked to refer to chiropractors....guess what?? In italy no chiropractor is legally recognized it is still seen as a quack profession. In france only doctors can do aromatherapy, not massage therapists or beauticians.
the people who have little respect for ANY decent profession are people with little minds and little life experience.
if you were so secure about yourself you wouldn't feel necessary to denigrate a profession that as you can see some of the posters here have and take pride in.
and third these statements have tainted the whole purpose of the thread which carla has explained meant to say how do JWs reconcile being a massage therapist and the popularity it has gained in the JW community with their puritan beliefs.
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by carla inwhat is the deal with this?
it seems i hear more and more about some jw woman who is a massage therapist.
i can't think of a more unseemly occupation for a jw woman that is legal.
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where was your Kingdom Hall JH? afghanistan?? lol
carla i understand your question and while it's not a dfing 'offense' the therapists in the KH where i went to were not frowned upon since they mostly did it to work part time and pioneer but they weren't a prime example either.
when i announced i wanted to be a massage therapist they said " and massage fat hairy men?"
yes that's exactly why i'm going into it.
even if they don't df you, i'm sure they've counseled people on the 'dangers' of that type of work and it certainly adds wind to the gossip mill. -
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jw Massage therapist
by carla inwhat is the deal with this?
it seems i hear more and more about some jw woman who is a massage therapist.
i can't think of a more unseemly occupation for a jw woman that is legal.
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another thing...
you don't have to be a saint to refrain from crossing the line with clients. it would be unethical. most professions have a code of ethics and so do massage therapists.
massage is an essential part of many culture's daily life such as india, madagascar and pacific islanders.
it's not an integral part of european or american culture and has been sexualized by the media and therefore most people's perceptions are warped by this flawed representation.
as massage therapists you see so many bodies that it becomes normal to you. isn't it the same for chiropractors, doctors, surgeons,etc?
clients who want extras are either mistaken about what you do offer or just creeps who get excited by the idea of being in a room alone with someone and getting them to do something they didn't want to do.
If therapists engage in such acts they either do it for the money or for their own illicit gratification.
you don't have to be a massage therapist to have plenty of opportunities to do something ethically wrong.
what about the scenario where a Big manager asks the new young secretary to come into his office for a "friendly chat"?
so does that make it difficult for a person to become CEO because "think of all the temptation with secretaries walking around all day long in short skirts"
if you care about your profession and about your own integrity, your family, etc..there is no reason why your work should stumble you.
temptation will arise in all aspects of life. they usually come when you least expect it and where you least expect it.
If you go into the massage profession with the wrong motives then it will probably happen not because of the profession but because of your mindset.
ok enough.
sorry i do care about the profession and i just wanted to make a point although a bit lengthy. but i do understand how most people view it and i didn't want to lay blame or go on the defensive. -
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PLEASE - REQUEST - marriages between whites and blacks
by ALEX_2003 inplease - photos, images in jw's publications, about marriages between whites and blacks - sorry my bad enghish
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he wants PICS IN THE MAGS because what people do in this or that congregation doesn't show the thought of the society on the subject.
Even if they do write an article where they say it's ok, pictures in the magazine have a stronger impact and to this date he has seen none. that's why he wants them. right??
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can you feel the love?
by bigdreaux intoday i was at the dealership.
i was standing next to the service department.
i struck up a conversation with an elderly guy standing there.
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an elderly sister a friend knew went door to door and went people didn't accept her message replied
" oh well you'll die at armageddon, i did my part"
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jw Massage therapist
by carla inwhat is the deal with this?
it seems i hear more and more about some jw woman who is a massage therapist.
i can't think of a more unseemly occupation for a jw woman that is legal.
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i don't know why people are feeling so insulted by this thread.
by little schooling i don't think the poster meant to diminish the commitment that it takes to take on a massage diploma. JWs don't like four year colleges so anything like an associates degree or less is a good alternative for them.
i'm a massage therapist and i'm not offended by any of the comments here although it is true that some people still have this concept in their mind for some reason that therapists also offer sexual services. What massage therapist do you go to?? if he or she offers sexual services and advertizes them as well(i know they don't come right out and say it but you can understand by the language used) then you probably aren't going to someone who is not qualified and could even harm you.
As therapists we have to learn anatomy and physiology extensively, diseases and disorders, precautions to massge and contraindications.
it's as respectable a profession as any other and really helps people.
there's always people at the hall who are going to have to say something regardless of what you do.i found the best way to survive there was to just NOT SAY ANYTHING about ANYTHING about your life. JWs are so sexually repressed they see sex everywhere.