aleman i find the way you interact with people arrogant, weak and pathetic. You ask them to look at their point of view with a logic that you can't apply to your beliefs. You are angry at the people who can live their lives in a meaningful way without a god present in their lives and almost wish them ill to prove your point. Gopher was able to articulately present his point of view(not shoving it down your throat)in a non-threatening way...but no you took offense because how does he dare be self-sufficient. how does he dare be confident and happy and fulfilled without god when you aren't able to do so. There is a reason why you are on this forum and you know it so don't come here trying to break us down because i think you are the broken down one. so you have to make angry, sorry , sad little posts which run on emotion not fact to what goal? try to get the ones here to agree with you and validate beliefs you are probably doubting.sorry sir, that ain't happening. If you can't handle having people who have a mind of their own then the KH is a great mindnumbing place to be for you. i think you also abuse your intelligence and worldly knowledge...and so many other things i picked up in your posts which would be too many to pick apart ...i'm sure most enlightened people here already know anyway. why the need to have everyone accept, approve and take on what you believe to be true?Why wish them ill (that really made me sick)...and don't even try to say ' i said I HOPED he wouldn't be in the towers....'or some crap like that. If you've been on the apostate sites and don't agree with them then let that be that. in one of your posts you tell someone something like 'lies about the society.ok that's a better start with me' ...who are you anyway? try figuring that one out and you may have the answer to your question.