You people are so quick to condemn! Yes it looks like they are lying hypocrites, but Im sure there is a logical explanation...
(Thinking...thinking)
I know, they are just renewing a library card, yes thats it.
Freeman
http://www.nwaonline.net/281216684861365.bsp .
"the morning news" (arkansas news).
religious leaders to describe traditions of peace .
You people are so quick to condemn! Yes it looks like they are lying hypocrites, but Im sure there is a logical explanation...
(Thinking...thinking)
I know, they are just renewing a library card, yes thats it.
Freeman
i keep seeing reference to him.
i'm not sure who is he and what has he done?
pardon me for my ingnorance in advance.
You forgot one more thing that he is, an accused pedophile.
i never thought i'd see the day, but my 89-year old grandpa is now attending meetings.
a real life story i wanted to share with you all.
my grandma asked why he wanted to go to the hall.
SwordOfJah,
You call me a fool or wicked because I state facts.
FACT: As of this date- More then five thousand JW sexual abuse victims spanning 3 continents have come forward .
So how many victims within the ranks of the Catholic Church have come forward, a few hundred perhaps?
My GOD Have you seen the DATELINE, and BBC PANORAMA programs?
They are available on this site as streaming data.
Watch them, and then tell me all about the virtues of your Watchtower!
Freeman
i never thought i'd see the day, but my 89-year old grandpa is now attending meetings.
a real life story i wanted to share with you all.
my grandma asked why he wanted to go to the hall.
Wow YellowLab it sounds like your grandparents have something truly wonderful together.
Normally I would suggest that you try and get your relatives up to speed on the JW pedophile scandal, which is significantly larger in scope and more insidious, then that of the Catholic Church.
However, considering their age, perhaps it would be best to let sleeping dogs lay. What good would it do to inform them as it could perhaps do them some emotional harm, even destroy their world?
Thank you for sharing such a heartwarming story.
Freeman
You want to know how life started on earth? Dont put your trust in empty philosophies of men, put your trust in the real Creator. Here is the story of how we really came to be.
Freeman
from: "silentlambs" [email protected].
date: tue, 7 jan 2003 14:21:28 -0600. to: [email protected].
subject: press release-distribute freely.
I love seeing that!
You can run Tower of Darkness, but you cant hide. Your misdeeds are being exposed even now.
Freeman
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do you think that you will see your dear loved ones come back to life in a ressurection of some sort or do you think there is no hope of such a thing?
For those of you that think that the dead cant come back to life again, you should see what happens here in my office around quitting time. You will be made a believer.
Freeman
Edited by - freeman on 7 January 2003 16:21:49
i discovered a major security flaw on the silentlambs website, i e-mailed bill about it, setup up a small demonstration, mind you i told no one else about this.
and the demonstration was benine, because this flaw could allow someone to forward the site to say porn sights.
i won't go into detail, but let's just say i could cause alot of havoc with it.
Whyhideit,
I like your approach however I fear the rift may be to wide at this point and its hard for people to back down after a certain point. I happen to know for a fact that Bill Bowen has/had something that needed to be done and that TH is well qualified to do it but Bill specifically did not ask TH to do it because he was concerned that TH had enough to worry about because of his employment status.
Siege mentality is what I see going on here, and that is to bad because it replaces coherent thought. I only wish I could sit RevMal, Trauma, and Bill down and get you guys shit-faced and maybe we could all have a good laugh over this. And if that didnt work, maybe Hawkaw and me could get blasted, sit on the side and watch you guys beat the shit out of each other while we laugh our asses off until we puke. J
I dont want to get all mushy or anything, but most of us were JWs at one time and many of us sacrificed a lot because of this and we stayed JWs until we saw the light, largely because we wanted to do the right thing. What Im saying is that within the X-JW community are probably some pretty good people. I dont really know you folks and you dont really know me, but based on what I do know about X-JWs, I would say the odds are you are all pretty much OK.
Just something to think about as you decide if you want to work things out with each other or not. The choice is yours and the ball is in your court.
Freeman
i discovered a major security flaw on the silentlambs website, i e-mailed bill about it, setup up a small demonstration, mind you i told no one else about this.
and the demonstration was benine, because this flaw could allow someone to forward the site to say porn sights.
i won't go into detail, but let's just say i could cause alot of havoc with it.
Hear we go again, me thinks I'm about to shoot myself in the foot again.
I keep coming closer and closer to exposing who I am IRL (by my own doing) because I care less and less about remaining anonymous as I feel my time is short and it is only a short time before I get DF/DA anyway.
For the sake of clearing some things up and because I'm almost at the point that I dont give a damn who knows my real identity, Im posting this brief synopsis about myself so you will understand why I believe what I believe to be true and what makes me more knowledgeable about this matter then most folks. Here is my background:
I authored the US Treasurys system administrators day-to-day computer security manual currently in use at the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).
I have tested the security of the Department Of Justice massive data centers.
I have tested the security of numerous NASA related systems including those that control space craft.
Based on my findings, changes were made in many systems NASA wide also my findings have now become part of the official Congressional record.
I have created security and contingency plans for five NASA data centers.
I have worked undercover for the federal government and have been a member of no less then five top hacker groups, including one sponsored in part by the KGB.
I have had the FBIs head of covert operations sipping coffee in my living room and trying to recruit me to work undercover for his agency.
I have been an invited speaker of the Computer Security Institute.
I have been an invited speaker of the Surveillance Expo.
I have lectured at the largest and most important US intelligence agency, the National Security Agency.
That is my unique background / qualifications, which some Elders are familiar with and could expose me, so be it. Im hopeful that this disclosure adds weight to the views I will next express.
Now that everything is on the table, I say this:
Mr. Bowens site had a measurable level of security before a finite date; and the security level of that site has been reduced considerably after that date.
Who or what changed it from what it was?
Since I do not have ALL the facts I cant / wont say, further since I dont have ALL the facts and dont have the ability to read peoples hearts I cant / wont say if such changes were deliberate and malicious or sloppy / stupid and accidental, however there were a number of security holes introduced into the site that were not there before the aforementioned date.
And no Im not providing this date to anyone so dont ask.
If some posters assume that they are being accused by me, they are incorrect; I dont have enough data to publicly accuse anyone, and besides I dont do that, its not my style.
Unlike some others, I do have a technical background and education to know enough to know that I simply dont know enough to start pointing fingers Edited to add the words: (did I really just say that J ) . People who dont have enough familiarly with the technical issue of security are afraid of it and make statements that are better not said because they hurt and alienate people unnecessarily in the process.
Mr. Bowen's cause is one that I support.
I for one have the ability to separate and uncouple Mr. Bowen from the cause he represents, and I am generally an extremely tolerant person. However I hope I will not be foolish enough to abandon Mr. Bowen or his cause should I get caught up in all of this ill will that seems to be running rampant.
Despite his faults, Mr. Bowen is a genuinely good man, and yes that is my opinion but I believe this to be true, and even if I dont agree with the way Mr. Bowen has handled some issues or people, I still genuinely hold this man in high regard.
The cause is too important to allow the imperfections of one man or the hurt feelings of any person to stop it. I dont know how to fix the rift that has developed between some people and Mr. Bowen and I am saddened that it has developed and continues to grow even at this late date.
I just offer some information to help explain why I think some things are the way they are and hope that cooler heads on all sides of the issue will prevail.
And I know a good number of persons on this forum have abandoned anything even remotely Biblical, but for any that may find some wisdom in these words, here they are:
How often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times? No, forgive him up to seventy times seven.
Freeman
Edited by - freeman on 6 January 2003 12:47:1
Edited by - freeman on 6 January 2003 13:17:48
Edited by - freeman on 6 January 2003 13:23:23
i discovered a major security flaw on the silentlambs website, i e-mailed bill about it, setup up a small demonstration, mind you i told no one else about this.
and the demonstration was benine, because this flaw could allow someone to forward the site to say porn sights.
i won't go into detail, but let's just say i could cause alot of havoc with it.
I hesitate to make this post but perhaps I better before this gets to far out of hand.
Fist let me state Im not going to take sides between Bill Bowen and anyone else however I do have some information that may explain things. In particular, I will tell you why I believe Mr. Bowen or an administrator working in his behalf would be so quick to shut off access from anyone even remotely connected with causing problems on the Silent Lambs web site.
Yes Trauma, I understand you were genuinely trying to help. Finding security holes and reporting them is what I did for a living for many many years, so I understand exactly what you are saying and yes you did a good and positive thing. However not everyone understands the difference between a benign test to uncover an existing hole, or someone possibly causing a problem. A LOT of things have happened behind the scenes that most are unaware of.
That said; hear are some salient facts that may explain things:
Mr. Bowen has had the security of his site greatly compromised.
Many basic security features of his site were turned off by someone.
Mr. Bowens site has had backdoors planted on his site and he is not sure if they have all been removed.
Mr. Bowen believes he has been betrayed by a person or persons that he trusted, (there is quite a bit of supporting evidence).
Mr. Bowen is under tremendous pressure right now.
I'm not going to get into a debate bashing or defending Bill Bowen and I'm not going to elaborate any further or name any individuals involved in the compromise of the Silent Lambs web site, this person or persons know who he/she or they are, and so do I/we.
Freeman
Edited by - freeman on 5 January 2003 23:32:29