Reborn makes some very valid points, this was no humanitarian mission, we were there primarily for self serving reasons! Despite what the Bush administration says the primary reason we went to war against the MONSTER WE CREATED was the fear that his deadly toys could now slip into the hands of people highly motivated to kill us. 9-11 was a wake up call and quite frankly I think it scared the crap out of Bush.
freeman
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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Actually Foreword, IMHO the quantity is totally irrelevant, any amount in this mans hands is too much. The real fear for me anyway is not that Saddam would use them himself as he has in the past, but that these weapons could find there way into the hands of other persons willing to use them. If you sincerely feel it is acceptable for this tyrant to have some amount WMDs, as you seem to indicate, could you please then quantify the amounts that would be acceptable to you?
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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As Yogi Berra once said, It?s not over until the fat lady sings.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Danish troops have found suspicious mortar shells in southern Iraq and officials are checking to see if they are chemical weapons, according to Coalition officials.
Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, a U.S. Army spokesman, said Saturday 30 to 40 120mm mortars containing liquid were discovered south of Al-Amara, north of Basra.
The shells are being examined, and Kimmitt said it is suspected that the ordnance could be left over from the Iran-Iraq war in the mid-1980s.
"Most were wrapped in plastic bags, and some were leaking," he added.
Good God, if this stuff is WMD and there is a good chance it is, I just hope nobody gets killed disposing of it.
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US calls off search for weapons of mass destruction
by WhyNow2000 inthe bush administration has quietly withdrawn a 400-member military team.
it sent to baghdad to scour iraq for evidence of unconventional weapons.... .
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2004/0109/901262949hm1iraq.html.
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As Yogi Berra once said, It?s not over until the fat lady sings.
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Danish troops have found suspicious mortar shells in southern Iraq and officials are checking to see if they are chemical weapons, according to Coalition officials.
Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt, a U.S. Army spokesman, said Saturday 30 to 40 120mm mortars containing liquid were discovered south of Al-Amara, north of
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How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?
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many skeptics assert that the bible must be wrong, because they claim that the ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/cen_v19n2_animals_ark.asp
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Just last week I heard something funny come out of the mouth of my sons die-hard JW friend. The boys were apparently discussing the flood and my son?s friend said, ?I don?t believe in dinosaurs?. Apparently this boy felt that either the age of dinosaur fossils or the shear massive size of these animals threatened the validity of the great flood / Noah story; which in fact it does.
To my son?s credit he replied: ?but dude what about all the giant bones they found??
Unfortunately I wasn?t able to clearly here the response to that, but from what little I did hear it was along the lines of the bones and other artifacts are being made up by evolutionists. And to that my son said something along the lines of yeah whatever you say Mark.
It?s nice to know that my son in spite of the fact of being raised in a cult knows how to think for himself and critically examine information. It?s a pity our friend hooberus is unable to do the same. I hope for his sake he learns to do so one day.
Freeman
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Did God create man to live forever?
by shotgun indubs always point back to genisis as a last resort and say ....well he created them to live forever, it was his original purpose.. where does it say that?.
genisis says that they were to multiply and fill the earth not that they would live forever.
if they were to live forever what was the tree of life for?.
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Well if God meant for us to live forever, I have to say that he really screwed up royally. Unfortunately the reality is that humans also share the same basic physiology that makes death inevitable for all animals. It?s the same physiology that causes animals to age, get gray hair, diseases, cancer etc.; basically all the same maladies that we humans suffer. Personally I don?t want to die, so you could say it is my desire to live forever. Unfortunately even the relatively little I know about cellular reproduction precludes that possibility.
Freeman
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What are the WTBTS's biggest lies?
by outbutnotdown ini've been out for about 10 years and, to be honest, i have begun to worry less and less about what that org.
but in eman's recent post, "you have one shot", sirona mentioned about all the lies that the wtbts have told.
i have read c of c, but my memory is fading on what some of the more blatant lies that i recall from that book and other articles.. just in case i have an encounter with a jw who may actually be considering leaving but wants more support/reasons to leave, can people help me by refreshing my memeory on the biggest lies that they have told, that would catch their attention the quickest?
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freeman
The biggest lie they told me is that the Bible study was for free. Unfortunately many of us have discovered too late the enormous costs associated with studying the Bible with these people.
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What are the WTBTS's biggest lies?
by outbutnotdown ini've been out for about 10 years and, to be honest, i have begun to worry less and less about what that org.
but in eman's recent post, "you have one shot", sirona mentioned about all the lies that the wtbts have told.
i have read c of c, but my memory is fading on what some of the more blatant lies that i recall from that book and other articles.. just in case i have an encounter with a jw who may actually be considering leaving but wants more support/reasons to leave, can people help me by refreshing my memeory on the biggest lies that they have told, that would catch their attention the quickest?
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freeman
The biggest lie they told me is that the Bible study was for free. Unfortunately many of us have discovered too late the enormous costs associated with studying the Bible with these people.
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Check this book review out.....
by caligirl inbelow is a review left on barnes & noble about diane wilson's book.
i, too, am one of jehovah's witnesses.
but jehovah's witnesses do no do that.
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*Shaking head*
Simply amazing!
Freeman
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Would you consider public speaking?
by nicolaou inone thing the watchtower society has managed to do is to create a pool of talented, articulate and witty speakers.
what happens to them when they leave the society?
some of them post here and on other forums.
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freeman
In my former occupation, I did quite a lot of public speaking. Public speaking is among the very few advantages I have garnered for myself from my internment as a witness, that and quitting smoking. Apparently their training methods work pretty well as I have been a very successful speaker at events with hundreds of attendees. Some of the most notable speaking engagements include providing a 30 ? 90 minute discourse before the technical staff of the National Security Agency, the Attorney General and technical staff, several divisions of NASA, the Computer Security Institute?s annual convention, the Surveillance Expo (an annual cloak and dagger, spy /spook and PI convention), and the US Treasury Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).
Needles to say none of my presentations included any witness related theology or buzzwords, although I must admit some were a bit apocalyptic considering the subject matter.
My advice to anyone wishing to attempt public speaking is to contact Toastmasters or some other public speaking training program. It may cost you a few bucks but it?s a bargain compared to the price you will be paying for years and years because of having anything to do with the witnesses. Been there, done that!
Freeman