So this is what weekends are like for normal people...I like it, I like it!
Freeman
now that you're out of the borg and don't have to get up saturdays to peddle magazines, try to fit in the family watchtower study, get up sunday mornings to rush off to the kingdom hall, do you feel like week-ends are great?
it feels great just to sleep late on one or two of those days if i want to.
i can spend hours on the internet or read a whole newspaper.
So this is what weekends are like for normal people...I like it, I like it!
Freeman
i found this while on a search and thought quite a few of you would be interested:.
http://www.webshowplace.com/question/65quest.html.
i found it very interesting to say the least.
Farkel you are dead-on. You Know can only respond to but cannot truly answer questions. He has no depth of knowledge on the subject. Not that its his fault, as one cant have such knowledge and remain a JW in good standing.
It is my direct experience that anyone taking even some VERY BASIC college courses related to Biblical study and the early church soon learns why the Watch Tower has always insisted higher education is a bad thing. My God, even a freshmen seminary student would have little difficulty dispatching most of the fundamental Watch Tower dogma.
From what I have seen of You Knows past posts, most are paraphrased Watch Tower answers. You know the type, bait-and-switch Biblical hopscotch without any depth of knowledge or scholarship, stupid proof texts that prove nothing at all.
Fark, the one thing I see promising about this guy is that he is a bit flaky. Flaky means different, and different in the doldrums of the JW world can be a good thing as it puts him on the outside socially and in a more likely position to critically look the Watch Tower over and see it for what it truly is.
Now I dont want this post to turn into an attack on You Know, so let me counter balance anything negative I may say about him by saying that I am a greater idiot then You Know could ever even imagine being. Why? I had all the tools at my disposal necessary to check the Watch Tower out thoroughly before I joined this little cult and I did not. Yep I swallowed it all without so much as a whimper, stupid, stupid, stupid!
That said, you have to admit YK, you do present yourself as somehow special, more enlightened then the other so-called brothers. Am I mistaken or dont you claim you are anointed or some other such rubbish?
From what I have seen, your big claim to fame to date is that that your doom and gloom end-of-the-world / financial-collapse predictions are as consistently wrong as the official Watch Tower predictions. Or in other words, your track record exactly matches that of your masters; 100% miss!
I truly do enjoy many of your posts. The best ones are like this:
You regale us with some end-time prediction, your prediction fails, you go into hiding until things cool off, and then start anew. Call me crazy but I find you very entertaining.
And once again in counter balance to anything negative I may say, please remember this Mr. YK; Im even more stupid then you. That said, take this advice from one idiot to another, smarten-up You Know and get out of this cult. Dont be jerk; use your brain, GET THE HELL OUT OF THIS CULT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
Freeman
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&ncid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20020621/sc_nm/space_asteroid_dc_2
largest asteroid in years misses earth .
fri jun 21,12:15 am et .
How much damage an impact does depends on a few factors, such as mass, the angel of attack, the material composition of the object, relative velocity, and finally aerodynamic characteristics, but I suspect you already know that, Mr. Amazing.
Some years ago when I worked in NASAs space physics lab, I was exposed to a variety of many scientists with very diverse backgrounds and training different from my own. From discussions I had with many of these brilliant men, I really came to appreciate not only how truly wonderful our universe is, but also just how violent and chaotic it is too. There are indeed just megatons of debris out there waiting to hit us.
And if you want to do the math, and some of these scientists did just that, it is not a matter of IF we will be hit; no, it is a matter of WHEN.
As you so correctly point out Mr. Amazing, the dooms-day cults will have a ball with this right up until impact and then BOOM. We can only hope (pray) WT HQ will be ground zero.
Freeman
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=585&ncid=585&e=1&u=/nm/20020621/sc_nm/space_asteroid_dc_2
largest asteroid in years misses earth .
fri jun 21,12:15 am et .
Good thing it missed or we would have a real, real bad day like the dinosaurs did. Unfortunately sooner or later we will get it (again) thats a fact, but hopefully we will have enough advance warning to do something about it. Thanks for the info.
Freeman
just wanted to share that my cousin watched dateline and although she had faded away, still had guilt about not attending meetings.
she and i have been writing and tonight she wrote to say that she'd read cofc and feels a lot better.
i just had to share.
Wonderful news. There is nothing like seeing truth and knowledge empower someone. Yes when you know the truth about the truth, or more precisely the truth about the lie taught as truth, the boggy-man finally goes away as he has no hold on you anymore.
Freeman
did i just put my head on the chopping block?
background: i am an inactive (20 + years) but not da/df etc.
i still get invited to various gatherings etc.
Did I just put my head on the chopping block? See what you think.
Background: I am an inactive (20 + years) but not DA/DF etc. I still get invited to various gatherings etc. and I genuinely have affection for most of the so-called brotherhood, my problem is with the organizations man-made and ever changing rules. My two biggies are shunning and blood and this fact is known by most Jdubs that know me well. We just dont talk about those subjects and we get along just fine.
My wifes PO knows I have problems with these two issues and he sent me a bunch of information on monochorionic pregnancies (stuff printed off the internet). I guess this is in response to some information I once shared with my wife about natural transfusions in these types of twins. So in response to what he was kind enough to share with me, I decided to write him a letter and give him a good witness on the subject. I also gave my wife a copy of the letter.
That was a few days ago and I have not heard anything back yet. I will share with you a copy of the letter, see what you think. Personally I think I made some pretty good arguments but logic and reason does not necessarily work with these people as many of you undoubtedly already know.
I toyed with the idea before, I think I even posted a draft asking for comments but never went trough with it. But now that her PO sent me this info, well I just could not pass up the opportunity. I cant believe I had the balls to send him it but what is done is done and its too late to change my mind. Maybe I will soon join the ranks of you so-called apostates :-) as DF. Anyway here it is verbatim:
**** EDITED FOR ANONYMITY ****
(Brother PO),
Thank you for the interesting information on Twin-to-Twin Transfusion Syndrome (TTTS). Actually I was familiar with much of the information but it was good to look over some of this information again. I appreciate you taking the time to do this. I noticed you highlighted certain segments in yellow highlighter such as the high mortality rate some 80% without treatment and that twin-twin transfusion syndrome is a serious complication of monochorionic twin pregnancies etc. I assume you were trying to make the point that this is a defect, an imperfection, and in that respect your efforts did not fall on deaf ears so to speak, as I agree that you are quite correct in this respect.
Yes TTTS is a serious complication, especially if not treated very early before the damage is done to either or both twins. Usually it is the donor also sometimes called the stuck twin that suffers the most, as this baby is the one drained of its life-giving blood supply. Other serious complications in a closely related type of pregnancy can include conjoined fetuses commonly referred to as Siamese twins (depending on what day the egg splits). When such twins share the same sack, entanglement of the umbilical cord and resulting strangulation of one of the twins has been known to sometimes occur too.
(Brother PO), the information you presented is quite accurate, however it is written from the standpoint of describing a serious condition that SOMETIMES occurs in these twins, not what normally occurs. What is not brought out with any emphasis, is that THE GREAT MAJORITY, 80-90% of monochorionic pregnancies ARE BORN PERFECTLY HEALTHY.
Multitudes of such twins are born and live perfectly normal lives and they are closer to each other then any other type of normal twin right down to their very DNA. The condition of TTTS occurs ONLY when there is a SEVERE IMBALANCE in blood flow from one twin to the other, only then does it become a problem. When the two fetuses share the same placenta, vascular couplings or links develop between their circulations. The medical term for this is anastomoses. This condition is unavoidable, normal, and quite harmless, as some blood flow and intermingling of the blood of the twins is not a problem since they share an exact match in their DNA. These anastomoses can be of three types: vein-to-vein, artery-to-artery and artery-to-vein. Fortunately in most cases even when there are multiple vascular connections within a single placenta, little or no twin-to-twin transfusion should occur provided the anastomoses are in balance. Its when the anastomoses are out of balance that there is a problem because one twin pumps too much of his blood supply into the other twin and the recipient twin disproportionately receives too much of this blood.
Commingling of the blood however in all cases is unavoidable as the blood supplies of the twins are directly and physically connected to each other through the shared placenta with its cross-connecting anastomoses, but as previously stated this is not a problem as the DNA match is perfect.
That said (brother PO); I believe the large and what I consider most significant point that you apparently fail to see from your research thus far is that AT ONE TIME THESE TWINS ALSO SHARED THE SAME BLOOD SUPPLY. AT ONE TIME THEIR BLOOD, WHOLE BLOOD AND NOT JUST FRACTIONS WERE COMINGELED IN THE NATURAL SETTING OF THEIR MOTHERS WOMB.
And while yes it is true that SOME of these types of twins, a small MINIROTY, unfortunately suffer serious illnesses, MOST however dont.
ALL OF THEM, YES EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE TYPES OF TWINS AT ONE TIME SHARED THE SAME BLOOD SUPPLY; that fact is inescapable.
I pose a related question to you (Brother PO). White cells are on the prohibited list of blood components are they not? Yet milk, cows milk, even human mothers milk contains many white blood cells. Colostrum, also known as first-milk is loaded with white blood cells even more so then normal milk. So my question is why are white blood cells on the prohibited blood component list?
(Brother PO), in a nutshell here is my reasoning on this issue. If God in his wisdom allows such things as the sharing of whole blood between two distinct individuals to occur inside the womb, why are we sacrificing thousands of people each year, letting them die because receiving whole blood or certain restricted fractions is prohibited outside the womb? Why in Gods name must good and decent people, some of them just innocent children, why must they die? Who is pleased or served by this sacrifice?
(Brother PO) I cant forget the image of the Awake magazine cover with pictures of a dozen or so children whos lives were sacrificed to this blood policy. Do you remember that issue, it was a few years ago I believe? You of course remember (dead sister X ), I cant forget her image either besides her picture is in my bedroom. (Dead sister X) also sacrificed her life to this policy, when she made the decision to stop her cancer treatment. She could not continue with her cancer treatments without transfusions, something she was told was prohibited by God. Without treatment her aggressive cancer has a 100% mortality rate, she knew that, and that it was only a matter of time. I remember in the weeks before she died being at her house. It was a very strange and morbid gathering but we were all there to say goodbye to (dead sister X) because we all knew she would soon be gone. Im glad I went, it was the last time I saw her alive.
That is why (brother PO) I just cant in good conscience publicly defend the current blood policy, and I know Im not alone in this thinking. More then one brother on a hospital liaison committee has confided in me that they too were conflicted over certain aspects of the blood issue. I know I sure cant explain why taking white cells during a medical emergency transfusion is prohibited, but taking millions of white cells in milk, mothers milk, or even cows milk is somehow OK. I cant explain why human colostrum, also know as the first milk, a milk loaded with tons of white cells is not on the prohibited list. Can you?
If its not OK to take white cells intravenously, why is it somehow OK to drink them? Should drinking milk be a conscience issue? Why is receiving donated organs now a conscience issue since such transplanted organs contain millions of human white cells, cells which are on the prohibited blood product list?
The question you must ask yourself (brother PO), knowing the facts that you do know, (and please research the facts for yourself) would you still feel comfortable supporting this position. Would you feel comfortable serving on a judicial committee when deciding the fate of someone who followed their conscience and Gods own example that modern medical science has now shown us? Think about it.
I dont expect a reply, these are questions for you to answer for yourself, I only hope though that perhaps I have made my position and my reasoning more clear. Again I thank you for the effort and thoughtfulness in bringing this information to my attention and wish you warm regards.
Sincerely,
(My Name)
PS: I also shared a copy of this letter with my wife so she would better understand my position as well.
i can't find the words that would express how grateful i am for all the support, not only for all of you to back me on the dateline show but for my trial as well.
i don't think i would have had the courage to go through the trauma if it wasn't for all your prayers and encouragement.
dateline was a huge help for many and i know this because i have recieved quite a few calls, one from a current jdub who wants out for the safety of his 16 month old baby, i was so excited that he lifted the veil and saw it for the pure truth that it was.
Erica,
No matter what you do from now on with your life, you will carry with you the knowledge that you are directly responsible for putting at least one criminal behind bars so he can not hurt others. You have also exposed a massive problem that if allowed to continue unabated would produce more and more victims each year. One way or another, because of your courage in speaking out on national television, you are directly responsible for greatly reducing the number of future victims and their pain, a pain that you know all to well. I am so proud of you. God bless you and may you find peace.
Freeman
the latest wt questions from readers on blood.
fractions of all "primary" components are now allowed?.
is this saying that everything is allowed except when they're combined together?
FYI Olivia:
Cows milk has tons of a forbidden blood component in it, i.e. white blood cells. It truly is a wacky blood policy that defies science, logic, reason, or scripture. Just my 2 cents.
Freeman
i cant believe that my dyed-in-the-wool jw wife is doing exactly what i want her to do.
she stayed home from the meeting (headache) and we watched dateline.
her face showed some shock but i was very cool about the entire thing.
I can’t believe that my dyed-in-the-wool JW wife is doing exactly what I want her to do.
She stayed home from the meeting (headache) and we watched Dateline. Her face showed some shock but I was very cool about the entire thing. I didn’t even comment on the show yesterday. I also said nothing today and then out of the blue she asked me if she could have the tape of Dateline because “someone she knows would like to see it”. I was a bit coy (using theocratic war strategy) and said,...oh...I guess so.
My tape is now in the hands of another cultist hopefully shocking them too. So off goes my Dateline tape..."from house-to-house etc.”
I just hope hovah don't erase my tape
Freeman
i just spoke on the phone to amazing (jim whitney) who is in intensive care in a chicago hospital.
on monday he had a major heart attack, had a stint put in an artery to unblock things and may have bypass surgery.
he's comfortable enough right now, but of course will have to make some big lifestyle changes.
Hang in there Amazing, we need you back here posting your head off ASAP because your posts are always so very, well um, quite frankly they are, um amazing! Do what the doc tells you. Also, pinch a nurse or two on the gluteus-maximums just for fun and to get the old ticker pumping. Get well soon.
Freeman