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  Wife went to bed in tears again. Sept KM this time. Her response..

  by oompa in

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  ok, slowly awakening and fading at the same time for two years now, and did not plan it.

  i tell my wife last night i have been having some interesting e-mails with my dad about the qb from the sept km we are to study this week.

  she says she has read it, but does not remember it.

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  tula

  oompa,

  since JW's are supposed to pride themselves on their great REASONING skills, if you could just somehow impress on her the importance of logical criteria.

  Any educator has the responsibility to provide truthful and non-misleading information.

  An educator should present facts and choices to EMPOWER others to MAKE better decisions. (Notice I didn't say to have the decisions already made for them) There should be freedom of thought and freedom of choice.

  To make a REASONABLE decision, you must have:

  1) sources of information that are accurate and unbiased

  2) have criteria of proof

  3) factual scientific methodology

  Most of all you should never accept any material (information) in which the sponsorship of the research has a vested interest in the outcome.

  Truth should be able to withstand scrutinty.

  Another example...go back and read the First Amendment of the Constitution. Here are a few excerpts:

  1st Amend. guarantees protection of freedom of conscience and deterrence against official attempts to engage in "thought reform". It gives one the right of private conscience against governmental coercion of expressions of belief and loyalty. One should not compel another to declare a belief and to utter what is not in his mind.

  (enforced conformity strangles the free mind at its source)

  (No one should posess the awesome power to compel belief)

  The purpose of the 1st amendment was precisely to protect from all official control the domain that was "the sphere of intellect and spirit".

  It guards against the enclaves of totalitarianism and the use of coercive tactics such as censorship and intimidation.

  1st amendment prevents the state from forcing citizens to believe or mouth an officially sanctioned point of view whether political, philosophical, or personal.

  FREE INDIVIDUALS disagree about and debate such views and they seek to change each other's beliefs by persuasion and argument NOT by coercion and force!

  Too bad, the 1st amendment applies only to governmental powers. That is where church and state are separate. Once you are baptized, you are under the jurisdiction of your church now, and the government cannot and will not intefere. You signed a contract with the church entity to allow them to rule you.
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  Luke 6:29-30

  by Anti-Christ in

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  luke 6:29-30 (new international version) 29if someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also.

  if someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic.

  30give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back.. so to all the christians out there, how many of you follow this?.

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  tula

  I am disappointed. I thought this was an excellent question and had hoped for thoughtier answers from all of you.

  If someone slaps you and you turn the other cheek....people consider you spineless and weak. (Therefore you are "persecuted for righteousness sake"???)

  if someone takes from you and you do not defend yourself or ask for it back...you are considered a fool. Not only that, it means that you go without. Why should you go without when you worked hard for something and just oblige someone who wants to steal it from you?

  I don't quite understand why it is "righteousness" to allow this. How can "righteousness" be "fairness"?

  And to let it slide, well as long as you hold a grudge it eats at you. So how have you done the right thing? It has caused you stress and deep seated anger that you cannot resolve. And stress causes emotional and physical harm to yourself.

  Give to everyone who asks you...well, you have to use some judgement here otherwise you could be supporting a lot of drunks and gamblers.

  so you tell me...how would these actions be righteous, just and fair?
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  Are you still under mind control?

  by ninja in

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  when facing the truth about 9/11 being an inside job......do you refuse to believe it?....or are you scared to be called a conspiracy nut?......is this not the same as being controlled by the jw's and being called an apostate if you question the status quo?....free your minds and waken up.....why did the pentagon....the most secure building on the planet get hit?...where were the air force??

  ?...wtc 7 was brought down by explosives....why did san francisco mayor willie brown receive a warning not to fly that morning?....the evidence is overwhelming and out there....all you need to do is read it and waken up again....you did it once in escaping the borg.....

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  I have always thought it was a planned event. If you remember, just before that happened this nation was divided 50/50 after the election. That was the big stir. The only way to get folks united again was to cause an event to "bond" people again.
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  I'm sick...

  by exwitless in

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  i've gotten the obligatory "back to school" cold.

  it happens every year when our son goes back to school - he brings home some kind of cold bug.

  my head hurts, my face hurts, i'm dizzy, my throat is scratchy.

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  tula

  bringen....

  I would recommend oil of oregano. It will kill any bad bug you got! It kills virus, bacteria, and even parasites. It has even been proven to kill bird flu virus.

  http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ReleaseDetail&ID=10728

  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/10/011011065609.htm

  I also recommend that if you use this, take with food. Any oil supplement is better assimilated when taken with food (that includes co-Q-10, omegas, fish oil, etc.)
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  RE: Taking predictions for the 2007 memorial

  by cultswatter in

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  that time is fast approaching when the wts will reveal the partaker numbers for 2007.. if you want to make a prediction then please go to this thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/133255/1.ashx.

  40 to 59 = master of the crown and cross award.

  100 to 199 = master of the pyramid award.

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  tula

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  Why is the "Cross" an issue?

  by Doug Mason in

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  what does the wts hope to achieve by creating an issue of the shape of the implement that jesus was nailed to?

  why are they prepared to go so far as to misrepresent authorities through selective quotations, such as of lipsius as well as of liddell and scott?

  this is not about the shape of the implement, but to unearth the reason why the wts has this position.

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  When I was a child I thought Jesus died on Calvery Street. (Didn't know if it was a shoot out or what) Many years later, I actually read from the song book and found out it was "calvary's tree"
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  What Are your Favorite Hobbies? Things you do for Fun ?

  by flipper in

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  hello folks.

  just a little continuation thread of another one i did.

  would be interesting to see what fun things people like to do, so we can get to know one another better.

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  tula

  am learning "baby sign language" to help my elderly friend who is almost totally deaf ....and may loose the last of his very slight hearing due to having to take strong antibiotics. Baby sign language is basic words without having to learn the whole sentence structure and perfection of the actual sign. It addresses immediate needs.

  Just FYI...vancomycin and ethromycin (antibiotics) can cause deafness! I am sure there are other drugs, too. These side effects are not always listed in the polished drugstore print outs.

  Also I like to bake and garden and paint.
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  What Are your Favorite Hobbies? Things you do for Fun ?

  by flipper in

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  hello folks.

  just a little continuation thread of another one i did.

  would be interesting to see what fun things people like to do, so we can get to know one another better.

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  what kind of fishing do you do? salt or freshwater? Do you use worms, crickets, chum, or lures?
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  Is the "marking" policy of the Society defunct or still officially used?

  by yaddayadda in

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  2. beliefs

  in my over 30 years as a jw, i honestly can't recall ever hearing about anyone who was being officially "marked" pursuant to the society's "marking" policy based on 2 thess 3:14. .

  in fact, i havn't read anything about their strange "marking" policy in years.

  this makes me wonder if the society still has confidence in it and still officially endorses it?

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  tula

  I have a friend who is that (or at least I think that's the name they used for it). He was originally disfellowshipped. Then, they eventually decided that people like him (who weren't baptised) couldn't be disfellowshipped. So, his "crime" was still out there, so people were to be weary of him, but he wasn't disfellowshipped.

  Couldn't there be some legal repercusions to this? Wouldn't it amount to "religious persecution" since this person was not baptised and under the rule of the org? Isn't there some law that could be applied if this action by the representatives affected his reputation or income?
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  Is the "marking" policy of the Society defunct or still officially used?

  by yaddayadda in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in my over 30 years as a jw, i honestly can't recall ever hearing about anyone who was being officially "marked" pursuant to the society's "marking" policy based on 2 thess 3:14. .

  in fact, i havn't read anything about their strange "marking" policy in years.

  this makes me wonder if the society still has confidence in it and still officially endorses it?

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  tula

  I'm not sure what happened to the "unapproved associate" status. I think that was discontinued via lawsuit....

  Sir nose: could you supply a little more info on this aspect? Here, or a new post, or pm me would be fine. Thank you.