Distance yourself as fast as humanly possible from the witnesses and your embarrassing appearance at the ARC
Tornintwo
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What happened with Dr. Applewhite's supplementary report? Mistery solved
by Viva la Vida in542 on 16 august 2015, dr applewhite wrote to the legal representative of watchtower.
australia and advised that she was unable to prepare a supplementary statement due.
to other commitments.
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Australian Royal Commission Findings released
by Mephis inwill just post the general findings by counsel for the commission (angus stewart) - case specific ones are prior to them.
in short, absolutely damning.. not been through every submission myself yet.
available for download here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.
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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing
by wannaexit ini've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.
seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.
they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.
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Tornintwo
The tone of the two documents is very telling. The ARC present a balanced, common sense approach in interpreting the evidence presented. They have no particular axe to grind against the WTS as opposed to other organizations, only to present their findings in respect to child safety and make recommendations.
The WTS response is nasty and litigious, they've employed some shark lawyers to nit pick and pull apart the findings on technicalities, it's BS of course but it looks to me like they are paving the way for litigation against compensation claims.
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Watchtower's response to Royal Commission shows they have learned nothing and will do nothing
by wannaexit ini've quickly read through watchtower's submission to the royal commission.
seems like they aren't planning to change policy anytime soon.
they are critical of how the royal commission handled the situation.. the tone is of the submission is shear arrogance.
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Tornintwo
Surely this now means anyone can just walk away and not face consequences,from now on if anyone is chased by the 'spiritual policemen' they can produce this document :
The policies and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not require any individual who no longer wants to be subject to their “rules and discipline” to formally disassociate themselves. They can simply stop associating with the congregation. Such individuals are not shunned.
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For example, Mr Geoffrey Jackson stated:283 “I thought I made it quite clear I don’t agree with that supposition”. We do not have a “so-called spiritual police force” to chase after ones who no longer want to be Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
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For example, Mr O’Brien stated: 284 “They don’t have to disassociate themselves to stop associating. They don’t lose their spiritual or familial association by being inactive.”
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Just put on ARC website: submissions of senior counsel
by Tornintwo inhttp://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=359d7249-0d4f-4c51-9265-1c40aa6b3b21&type=transcriptpdf&filename=submissions-of-senior-counsel-assisting-the-royal-commission&fileextension=pdf.
just having a quick read through, the findings are damning.
mr toole is being reported to the law society of australia.... a few highlights so far:.
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Tornintwo
Oops didn't see the other thread, thanks everyone for getting this out there -
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Just put on ARC website: submissions of senior counsel
by Tornintwo inhttp://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=359d7249-0d4f-4c51-9265-1c40aa6b3b21&type=transcriptpdf&filename=submissions-of-senior-counsel-assisting-the-royal-commission&fileextension=pdf.
just having a quick read through, the findings are damning.
mr toole is being reported to the law society of australia.... a few highlights so far:.
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Tornintwo
Sorry about the weird formatting, I hope the media picks up on this -
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Just put on ARC website: submissions of senior counsel
by Tornintwo inhttp://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=359d7249-0d4f-4c51-9265-1c40aa6b3b21&type=transcriptpdf&filename=submissions-of-senior-counsel-assisting-the-royal-commission&fileextension=pdf.
just having a quick read through, the findings are damning.
mr toole is being reported to the law society of australia.... a few highlights so far:.
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Tornintwo
Just having a quick read through, the findings are damning. Mr Toole is being reported to the law society of Australia...
A few highlights so far:
The practices and procedures of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation for the prevention of child sexual abuse, and in particular for the management of the risk of an abuser reoffending, do not take account of the actual risk of an offender reoffending and accordingly place children in the organisation at significant risk of sexual abuse.
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F70 The Jehovah’s Witness organisation’s policy of requiring its adherents to actively shun those who leave the organisation:
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makes it extremely difficult for someone to leave the organisation
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b) is cruel on those who leave and on their friends and family who remain behind
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c) is particularly cruel on those who have suffered child sexual abuse in the organisation and
who wish to leave because they feel that their complaints about it have not been
adequately dealt with
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d) is not apparently justified by the Scriptures which are cited in support of it
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e) is adopted and enforced in order to prevent people from leaving the organisation and
thereby to maintain its membership, and
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f) is in conflict with the organisation’s professed support for freedom of religious choice
and the belief that Jehovah God is a compassionate God who recognises the worth and dignity of all human beings
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UPDATE APRIL 2015 New Documents Re: Charity Commission Investigation into Watchtower Britain
by jwleaks inan updated list of documents relating to the charity commission investigation into watchtower of britain and jehovah's witnesses are available on jw leaks.. jw leaks.
original charity commission press release.
press release.
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Tornintwo
I would say anyone with personal close experience of child abuse, family shunning, shunning leading to depression or suicide etc. should without doubt contact the charity commission. everyone else from uk should write a concerned citizen letter about the same issues....
you would have thought if the charity commission has enough damning evidence then they would recommend the witnesses be included in the next round of the national child sexual abuse investigation.
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My RC hearing brought forward. Will be in two weeks
by umbertoecho inthrough this forum of wonderful freaks, i have met someone who is coming with me to my hearing.
initially i was slated for next year, but will be attending in two weeks time.
all is in place from travel vouchers, support, where to go ............very efficient and well done.
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Tornintwo
I hope we don't have to wait years for the ARC findings, A preliminary report would very good soon and in my view necessary, to force a change in the practices such as the 2 witness rule as soon as possible to protect other victims, and to inform the public and the ignorant rank and file witnesses. -
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The money question...
by Tornintwo ini am intrigued to know if there is truly any evidence of financial irregularities in the jehovah's witness organisation or if any one or group are raking off funds or benefitting financially...?.
whilst i disagree wholeheartedly with most of their teachings and practices, dogmatism, legalism and superiority complex, i don't honestly think there's anyone making millions at the top.
yes you could say that the gb are comfortably off, don't have to pay bills etc but they do actually get up in the morning and 'work', they aren't going off in private jets to tropical islands or driving bentleys.
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Tornintwo
Thanks for all the responses, some pure conjecture of course...
the point Lisa Rose and others make about lack of transparency is very thought provoking though...why aren't they transparent? why so many different corporations etc?
I knew of an affinity fraud by a 'brother' who fleeced a lot of witnesses of their life savings before being disfellowshipped thankfully, but, he was never prosecuted despite various attempts. Why? Because he had lots bank accounts and companies in different countries, the police couldn't track all the money successfully and prove fraud, they didn't have the resources and jurisdiction wasn't certain....sound familiar?
what is alarming is that there can be any legal charity which isn't fully transparent about its finances