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  Presumptuous?

  by Tornintwo in

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  i know this is old news, but just found this priceless quote on jwfacts from 2001 watchtower (yes 2001 not 1941!!!

  ) looks like geoffrey jackson never read this one:.

  "is it presumptuous of jehovah's witnesses to point out that they alone have god's backing?

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  Just thinking about this some more and does this not prove that a GB member lied under oath?
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  Presumptuous?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this is old news, but just found this priceless quote on jwfacts from 2001 watchtower (yes 2001 not 1941!!!

  ) looks like geoffrey jackson never read this one:.

  "is it presumptuous of jehovah's witnesses to point out that they alone have god's backing?

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  Great collection Nicolau! Thank you
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  Annulment of baptism for a minor?

  by Tornintwo in

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  i've seen references to baptism annulment on a few websites, does anyone know if there has ever been a successful annulment of a baptism?.

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  a minor claims they didn't understand a key wtbts teaching prior to baptism, is there any realistic chance of annulment?

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  I've seen references to baptism annulment on a few websites, does anyone know if there has ever been a successful annulment of a baptism?

  Eg. A minor claims they didn't understand a key WTBTS teaching prior to baptism, is there any realistic chance of annulment?
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  Presumptuous?

  by Tornintwo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know this is old news, but just found this priceless quote on jwfacts from 2001 watchtower (yes 2001 not 1941!!!

  ) looks like geoffrey jackson never read this one:.

  "is it presumptuous of jehovah's witnesses to point out that they alone have god's backing?

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  I know this is old news, but just found this priceless quote on jwfacts from 2001 watchtower (yes 2001 not 1941!!!) looks like Geoffrey Jackson never read this one:

  "Is it presumptuous of Jehovah's Witnesses to point out that they alone have God's backing? Actually, no more so than when the Israelites in Egypt claimed to have God's backing in spite of the Egyptians' belief, or when the first-century Christians claimed to have God's backing to the exclusion of Jewish religionists." Watchtower 2001 Jun 1 p.16

  
  
  
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  Top three reason for it to be cult and/or not the true religion.

  by Powermetal4ever in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  alright, i want everyone to list your top three reasons for jw to be cult and/or not the true religion.

  1.you can't look, or wear whatever you want.. 2. blah.

  3. blah.

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  1. Shunning.

  2. Superiority complex, judging all other religions and people adversely - including eachother!!

  3. Dogmatism/legalism on anything from blood to birthdays, putting themselves between their followers' consciences and God.

  plus - LYING about all of the above, EG:

  1. "We are the most loving people on earth, we love families, we help to unite families"(but if you dare disagree with us, kiss your family goodbye)

  2. "We would be presumptuous to say that" (didn't you say that many times over?). "We are not the judge, Jehovah is the judge" (but if your not in our organization, the modern day ark, you're gonna be charred hotdogs on a spit for the birds to eat)

  3. "We are not dogmatic, every individual has a choice" (but if you take that choice know that you're going to lose all your friends and family and we'll label you mentally diseased)

  now what's not to like?
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  Another great video of someone waking up!!! Using our "thinking mind"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i love the fact what he said about reading crises of conscious: if you read that book as a jw and still think the wt has the truth, something is wrong with you....the song played at the end is simply classic and very appropriate.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwvditiopv4&list=llz1w0ll081jjiycjb298pow.

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  It's a bit long winded but really worth a watch, so true, why would Jehovah answers the prayer of people who want to serve where the need is greater whilst ignoring the abused children within the organisation. COC so powerful too, a peep behind the curtain, I'm just reading ISOCF too which I find a great comfort and reassurance the waking up was the right thing to do.
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  So sick of the abuse...

  by iwasblind in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i am still serving as an elder but just hanging in there.

  i think their quandry is that they don't see me out in the field, but when they need encouragement and decent prayer they come to me.. i just got off the phone to this poor sister who i have only met twice.

  she is not even in my congregation (her sister is).

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  Well done, There are so many in the organization that need to hear what you told that sister.

  There are plenty of sheep skinned and thrown about. When we have problems, we naturally reduce activity, for me it started with exhaustion through overwork and pressures, but then we are labelled 'spiritually weak', and most brothers are not saying it in a 'lets see if we can help' kind of way but in a critical, judgemental way. When I was at my lowest I told an elder, 'I haven't missed meetings for 20 years, I'm just going through painful problems right now and it's hard to attend regularly, I'm reading my bible at home when I miss' he said sharply 'you haven't missed for 20 years so don't miss them now'

  we had a particularly loving c.o. a couple of years back, very humble, very compassionate, Christlike really, he was quickly replaced with quite a hard, unemotional guy and sent to bethel instead. I just couldn't get it, surely I thought, the c.o's main quality should be compassion and love, now I know from reading here, what they really want from c.o.s and the like is company men who will make sure the money keeps flowing in the right direction.
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  Effect on youths of Bethel and construction cuts

  by Tornintwo in

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  2. friends

  i know quite a few youths (late teens to early twenties) who have the goal of full time service, as bethelites or international construction, so they're doing the required slog of pioneering in order to achieve this goal.

  this is a goal which has been excitedly set out for them the last few years or so at assemblies etc.

  now they see the cuts, surely they are going to be discouraged and disillusioned.

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  I know quite a few youths (late teens to early twenties) who have the goal of full time service, as bethelites or international construction, so they're doing the required slog of pioneering in order to achieve this goal. This is a goal which has been excitedly set out for them the last few years or so at assemblies etc.

  Now they see the cuts, surely they are going to be discouraged and disillusioned. The only f-t service realistically available is the pioneer slog with a low paid part time job, no glory job at the end of it, maybe they'll think again and go and get an education and a decent job!
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  Mass Mailer to Congregations & Branches - Those who can't disassociate

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/491270004/mass-disassociation-pact?size=10&page=15.

  the topic above got me thinking.

  everyone here can't send a disassociation letter due to family or other reasons.

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  I posted this on freemindfade's thread:

  for those who can't dissassociate, how about an anonymous letter to all the witness email addresses they have. Something like: we are your fellow brothers, we sit in the Kingdom Hall with you, we love Jehovah, but we are increasingly concerned about.....

  include the most divisive topics such as shunning, blood, child abuse, false prophecies, GB worship, everyone else will die etc etc with some jwfacts style hard arguments against the wt stand on these issues. Sending them all at the same time to r&f might cause a lot of people to think, certainly stir the pot. If these things are only addressed to the ones in charge it will quickly be clamped down, but if to the r&f it would really be out there and uncontrollable.

  Personally I must have more than 100 email contacts who are witnesses, if we all put these together on mail chimp or something and send out a mass mailer on one day (say get cedars to own the account coz he obviously doesn't care about anonymity) we could have thousands upon thousands of witness addresses.
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  Mass disassociation pact...

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  any takers?

  we can pick a date and pull the plug?

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  Cool and calm and unemotional, like fmf said, otherwise people switch off straight away. That's why I think jwfacts is so effective, I turned away from many other bitter, weird or hysterical websites before i found that one.

  where is the ex-jw ms from Washington state letter, please?

  Wouldn't it be great if a TV company would do a documentary called 'shunning', as opposed to 'knocking' .