WT was taking a shot in the dark, then leaving up to the individual "conscience" to "either accuse or excuse". Don't let 'em play with your mind.
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Posts by AnneB
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41Was today's WT study an indictment of us who still attend the KH?
by compound complex ingiven the interest shown in today's wt study, i got to thinking that the society knows many of us still attend meetings.
the wording of today's lesson doesn't allude only to outsider's breaking in with their filthy apostate literature and tv interviews but also to satanic insider's working the faithful sheep in the pen.. we've discussed on other threads how jwn and like sites appear to be monitored.
of course, the society's literature never clues the reader in on what exactly apostates teach nor how we infiltrators do our clandestine work of sabotaging the sheep's faith.. any thoughts?.
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Victoria, Australia: FYI-Far reaching ramifications of the criminal indictment of the GB
by AndersonsInfo infyi: the following material that im providing comes from a source in australia, an xjw who is now monitoring the case and will provide feedback, comments, and opinions.
barbara.
the governing body of jehovah's witnesses was recently summoned to appear in the magistrates' court of victoria on september 13, 2011 in relation to a number of indictable criminal offences allegedly committed.
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AnneB
Barb, and others who were JW's back around 1990 or 1991: Think back to the District Convention(s); a whole Saturday was spent deliniating the difference between WT and the GB. There was a whole talk devoted to what would happen if the WT was taken down by court/legal action. Essentially, the difference is that WT is a legal entity and may, indeed, cease to function, but the GB would still be handling spiritual matters. That's an important distinction. If charges are filed against "the Governing Body" the action is doomed to failure, for they handle only spiritual things. If the charges are laid against WT, it's officers or agents, that's a whole 'nuther issue, but in that case there would have been no accusations made against individuals as members of the GB so they will still be beyond accusation in [their version] of the scriptural sense. I am aware that in many cases both legal and spiritual headship is maintained by the same individual. Still, a spiritual title (member of the GB) can't be prosecuted, so they're home free as far as JW's are concerned, it will be just another case of "framing trouble by decree", something for which they've been preparing the rank and file for decades.
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AnneB
Same here, I logged on that morning (different user name than now), saw the thread, but didn't turn on the TV. I didn't want to see people actually dying.
I longed for my children, to tell them I loved them one more time in case the atrocity sparked a war, but they're JW's...
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Why can't regular pioneers get some of the money back that they use out in field service?
by Joliette incan someone please explain this to me: gas money, handing out endless amounts of publications, magazines, tracks, etc.
why can't get some of this money back, tax write off, etc?
why can't this happen?
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AnneB
If the pioneers were reimbursed in any way for their field service it may lead to status as employees or agents of WT and expose WT to certain forms of liability. A few years ago there was a case involving a Bethelite and an auto accident where WT was found liable, the settlement was huge. As I recall the determination was that the driver was acting in behalf of WT when he became involved in the accident. Pioneers, regular publishers, brothers with positions of responsibility, are all taught to say that they do volunteer work at their own expense, according to their own schedule, and under local direction. Every bit of that is legal language designed to keep WT free of any legal entanglement.
What some pioneers do with the contribution money they collect is another story.
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Confusing messages at DC
by Kensho inokay i know everyone has probably already attended the dc and have posted their experiences here, but i just went to fri. and sat.
session (with a drama although timely for families i thought would never end) and a couple of bizarre things stood out.. very poor attempt at explaining the overlapping gen. new light.
during the brother's talk he said" there are two phases to the overlapping generations".
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AnneB
I wonder who the lucky fortunate JW is who got the contract for providing the credit card machines? It's quite a lucrative business what with fees for the processing and all.
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If John and Paul were alive today wouldn't they be put on medication and kept in a loony ward?
by highdose inserioulsy read some of their stuff and theres clear symtoms there of either drug taking and or mental insanity.. these days men claiming to have god talking to them, seeing mythical animals, rambling for chapters and chapters at a time in such a way that not even your contempories can figure out.
are given medication for their troubles, conseling and if needed put in a pyshco ward..
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AnneB
Count me in with the worldly ones! I'm like....Paul died???
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"The organization has never disappointed us..."
by Franklin Massey inin the simplified english edition of the july 15th, 2011 watchtower, in an article that warns jws about apostate influences, the following quote is given as a reason to stick close to the watchtower organization:.
"the organization has never disappointed us and always gives us an abundance of pure waters of truth from god's word.".
a scan of the page can be found here: http://www.jwfacts.com/images/watchtower-2011-jul-15-p12-apostates.jpg.
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AnneB
Dontcha just love it when they make a statement like that from a place where you can't dispute it? Like a convention platform or in the literature?
It reminds me of the Wizard of Oz being behind "just" a man behind a curtain when all of Oz thought the man they saw in the bubble was the wizard.
Cowards! (Cowards are listed as ones who will not inherit the kingdom, aren't they?)
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The Jehovahs Witness Baby Sitter
by garyneal injust thought id pop in with a new thread concerning the development on my childrens lives.
my youngest daughter goes to a babysitter who is a sister in my wifes congregation.
the reason being is because the child is an infant and regular daycare is much too expensive.
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AnneB
Since when does an adult (the babysitter) tell a child (yours) what she does and does not like? It's inappropriate. You might want to bring just that much to her attention (leaving out the JW angle).
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Im being disfellowshipped
by newcomer1982 ini was supposed to go to a judical meeting on sat but i told the elders i wasnt going but they held it anyway.
its going to be announced that im going to be disfellowshipped at the weekend.
hate the fact my parents wont talk to me anymore.
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AnneB
Disfellowshipping is humiliating....for as long as *you* believe the elders have the right and the authority. Once you figure out that they're not special in the eyes of God and don't represent God or his "arrangement", you will begin to recover.
As for how people treat you, once you stop thinking you should cast your eyes down and cower in a corner, people will treat you pretty much the same as they treat anyone else. If they're nasty people they'll shun you to make themselves feel better, if they're good-hearted they'll treat you much as they always have, with love.
You're going to learn a lot from this experience and, as people have already said, a lot of us are here to help. Spend as much time as you need seeking support and don't feel that you're burdening anybody here, 'cause there are many to share the load.
Much love to you,
AnneB
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Wow, this bit of info surprised even me!!!
by LeKook ini just spoke to a witness friend (has been a witness 25+ years), who said that the elders in her congregation told her that witnesses had better be prepared to begin going door to door, not to announce "good news", but to denounce people who refuse to accept "the trvth".
has anyone else heard about this?
i thought it was a joke at first, but she said no, that's where the elders told her things were headed.
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AnneB
Is this when WT takes the money and runs?