I've only been out of the org for 8 months, but I can't for the life of me explain the 1914 doctrine. I barely recall it myself..
shows just how much or shall I say little emphasis has been put on it lately huh?-
Younglove1999
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Do you think that JW's will ever get rid of the "1914" doctrine?
by booker-t inwith the year 2014 only 7 years away what are jw's leaders going to say if armaggeddon is not here by then?
how many more changes will have to take place in order for them to keep jw's loyal to the wt society?
my mom just celebrated her 78th birthday on sept 9 and she got baptized in 1967 believing armaggeddon was coming in 1975. i just cry when i think of the elderly jw's that gave their whole lives for the wt believing that armaggeddon was around the corner.
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The Effect of Losing Elders
by metatron inlosing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.
they hate large congregations.
but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.
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Younglove1999
I know the elders always told my husband that they would never expect him to put the needs of the congregation ahead of his family. If taking care of his family meant that he couldn't serve the congregation, they'd completely understand.
One time my husband was scheduled to give a part on the service meeting and I got hit with a REALLY bad migraine. Like, dizzy, black spots, ready to puke migraine. I went into the coat room to gain composure but found that I could barely keep my eyes open. So I told Ben we had to leave- I waited in that stupid coat room for 20 minutes while my husband actually argued with the PO about the validiaty of my illness before finally just telling them he was leaving period. The following meeting, I had elders whom I've rarely talked to before come up and hound me about my migraine. Did you eat something that caused it? Did you actually throw up or were you just naseous? Did you go to work the next day? Like weird questions.
right, his family comes first
I could go on and on about what crap that is-
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The Effect of Losing Elders
by metatron inlosing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.
they hate large congregations.
but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.
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oh my gosh metatron, you are so right about all of that!
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The Effect of Losing Elders
by metatron inlosing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.
they hate large congregations.
but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.
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kind of off topic, but zack's post made me think of this-
the amount of stuff we get from the Branch, info from the branch etc. and how it affects our minds-
typical thursday meeting: all of a sudden announcements get dragged out from 5 minutes to 15 minutes because there are 3 letters from the WTS to read- and of course to give us the impression that no one is hiding anything, they make the speaker read the entire letter word for word... "so the new tract is available in the following languages........................" *yawn, yawn* brother finishes reading all 3 of the pointless letters and oh look at that, we only 3 minutes to review the question box for this month! Brother proceeds to just say "be careful out there and try not to read apostate stuff"- now, lets devote 20 minutes to how to reserve a hotel room for next summer.
*everybody claps*
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The Effect of Losing Elders
by metatron inlosing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.
they hate large congregations.
but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.
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My husband was told that if he didn't accept the "privlege" of being appointed as an MS, he was basically rejecting the holy spirit and he'd be considered sinning.
Talk about being pressured into it.
And why is it they call in the brother 3 minutes before the meeting starts to say "we're announcing this tonight"?
Why can't they give the brother a heads up and let him think about it and get back to them?
rhetorical question obviously because we all know what would happen if they let us THINK
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I remember one elder from the platform said "sure the idea of dying for your brother sounds nice, but would anyone actually do it? I doubt it."
I saw like three elders, reach into their briefcases, take out a notebook, write something down and the next Sunday we had a new Watchtower conductor
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Does there seem to be a heck of a lot of New Members
by WT=watchtrouble ini only joined in may 07 and have noticed that there is a lot of new ones joining all the time.
this is good stuff.. the more faders/leavers the more likely the org will come down.. welcome to all new ones..
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So was I when I started lurking here and finding all those kindred souls.
exactly-
I wasn't planning on taking the dive and just posting, but as soon as i started reading and identifying with everyone, I couldn't help but jump right in.
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Does there seem to be a heck of a lot of New Members
by WT=watchtrouble ini only joined in may 07 and have noticed that there is a lot of new ones joining all the time.
this is good stuff.. the more faders/leavers the more likely the org will come down.. welcome to all new ones..
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Younglove1999
I'm new here and I'm so glad I joined.
My husband has been lurking on this site for about 6 months now and I just came on last week because I was struggling a lot with the feelings and emotions that occured since we make our decision to stop being involved with the JW's 8 months ago- I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way-
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Bugger - Elder pops around for a visit unexpectantly
by WT=watchtrouble injust recently had one elder come around to see what what happening.
don't you hate it how they think they can just come around without calling first.
damn that annoys me.. anyway, he said whats happening mate, we haven't seen you.. i mention 607 and how secular works dont support this.
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Younglove1999
Popping in unexpectedly is another pet peeve of mine.
The first month my husband and I stopped going to meetings, they called AT least 7 times a week (yes once a day or sometimes 3 times in one day trying to get our cell phone, home phone and even work phone).
I was nearing the final weeks of my pregnancy and they didn't care- they popped by unexpectedly so many times- They couldn't for once think how we could be taking care of a newborn and wouldn't appreciate the unexpected visitors. Nope, they continued to ring our doorbell- we didn't answer for a while because we did not want to talk to them. They knew we were home, but we refused to answer. During one of their annoying phone calls you'd think they could at least say "hey, we're going to be stopping by on Saturday- but nope- never.
About 3 weeks after my little one was born, I opened the door in my PJ's and wearing the baby in a sling and I simply said, "it would be really nice if going forward you would call before you come over", and closed the door.
They came by again and called and finally my husband called a few elders and left a very clear message to all that if anyone were to call or visit again that we would NOT be happy.
they left us alone for a good 4 months- until we started getting some phone calls last week- must be C.O. visit or something.
My other peeve was why if we were so loved by all the friends why ONLY the "men in suits" would stop by- what happened to all my sister "friends"??
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The Effect of Losing Elders
by metatron inlosing elders in the us puts the organization into quite a dilemma.
they hate large congregations.
but can't split without enough appointed local 'enforcers'.
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I think that's why they're appointing men at younger ages to become MS's and Elders.
10-20 years ago, it was rare for a 19, 20 year old to become an MS. They wanted mature, responsible men, mostly who had families (showing that they were responsible, etc.) to assume these roles. And usually they appointed men in their early or mid 30's.
but now, they're appointing them younger- seems they want to rein them in so they have no "excuse" to miss meetings because they have to handle XYZ-
the younger they're brainwashed into thinking they're so important, the better chance the org. has on keeping them for a while-
In my opinion anyways...