I drew. I wrote notes to my mom about what I wanted to do once KH was over. I drew some more.
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What Did You Actually Do At Meetings?
by minimus inwere you a note taker?
did you truly listen??
were you a daydreamer?
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Who thinks Cannabis/Marihuana should be legalised?
by lfcviking ini think in most countries it is illegal to use this drug, so do you think it should be decriminalised, legalised & taxed, made legal for the medical proffesion or should it remain completely illegal?
please state your reasons for your choice.. lfcv.
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bbdodger
http://shop.grasscity.com/shop/grasscity/vapormed.html
Yes, it is silly to sit there sucking out of a balloon, but the quality of the high is like nothing else, no 'baccy, clean taste, much reduced tar and carcinogen level.
I get it now!!! You're a pot smoker. That explains so much! I forgive you for anything else you might have said in other threads that we have participated in.
Oh and That Volcano device, dude... that's just gross.
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Who thinks Cannabis/Marihuana should be legalised?
by lfcviking ini think in most countries it is illegal to use this drug, so do you think it should be decriminalised, legalised & taxed, made legal for the medical proffesion or should it remain completely illegal?
please state your reasons for your choice.. lfcv.
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I have not smoked put in over 10 years, however I do think that it should be legal. It's a stupid thing to do, it sucks the life out of you, you forget how to have fun without it, and it makes you think you're more inspired than you actually are... but it shouldn't be illegal. It should be taxed and regulated.
Marijuana smokers should be held under the same standards while as drinkers are when caught driving under the influence. AND... don't give me that BS about being a better driver while you're stoned, it simply doesn't fly. Stoners say that, because they're stoned. I've been stoned, probably a thousand times in my life, and I can tell you from personal experience that stoned driving is bad driving (especially the next morning when you wake up and realize that your car is parked 3 feet from the curb).
If our jails weren't clogged up with simple drug offenses, and the cops didn't have to waste time dealing with idiot stoners, it would be a better country. It would also be a safer country! The average stoner doesn't think about where his pot comes from, the deals and the dealers. There may have been someone killed for that Guatemalan Red Hair that you scored, but the stoner doesn't see that part of the deal. If light drugs were legalized, the price would go down, and there would be less crime, because most all crime stems from drug abuse.
Marijuana is very SOCIALLY addictive. You gain friends very quickly, and you bond with them very quickly too... but you'll lose them just as fast if you stop smoking pot. But just because something is stupid doesn't mean it should be outlawed.
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bbdodger, let's talk music.
by bigwilly inthe new "punk" to me is backstreet boys *gag* with mohawks, where's the anger, social and political commentary that the genre was built upon?
a great example of that would be "lincoln park".
i know, i'm spelling it right ;).
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I've got Suicidal Tendencies, but I can't kill myself!!! YES!
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bbdodger, let's talk music.
by bigwilly inthe new "punk" to me is backstreet boys *gag* with mohawks, where's the anger, social and political commentary that the genre was built upon?
a great example of that would be "lincoln park".
i know, i'm spelling it right ;).
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:-)
When I'm put on the spot, I never know exactly what to say... but Dead Kennedys were pretty rad. My favorite album will always be Plastic Surgery Disasters... usually the one that no one seem to pick up :-(
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bbdodger, let's talk music.
by bigwilly inthe new "punk" to me is backstreet boys *gag* with mohawks, where's the anger, social and political commentary that the genre was built upon?
a great example of that would be "lincoln park".
i know, i'm spelling it right ;).
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bbdodger
Woo! A thread for me. I'm honored.
First of all, I'm going to re-post a bit about music that I wrote on the body mod thread:
I think that bands like MC5, The Ramones, The Stooges, even New York Dolls are American bands that really were the pioneers of Punk music. Weren't the Sex Pistols, after all, the British "answer" to the Ramones. I mean, it's possible (and probable) that there was an underground scene of punk in England well before the Sex Pistols.
There were bands like The Exploited (more political), Crass, (political), GBH, Subhumans, etc. They were against Thatcher, while their American counterparts were against Reagan (such as DK).
Then of course there was the 80s hardcore movement, which had little or nothing to do with the British punk scene. That's my favorite era of punk. Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Husker Du (early), Negative Approach. I love OLD pop punk like Descendents, Bad Religion, All, Dag Nasty, Operation Ivy (which has the best lyrics of any punk band, ever). I also love Rancid, which is getting more toward the new, but their attitude and style is so unique, and really pulls from a lot of different genres.I also like the pre-post-punk like Television (so awesome), and the post-pre-post-punk like Mission of Burma, and the post-post-punk like Fugazi.
Johnny Rotten got into the post-punk scene, he had PiL, and of course there was Joy Division, who turned into New Order (after Ian Curtis died), and that was loved and appreciated by Europeans and Americans alike. There were bands that transcended all sorts of subcategories, stuff that everyone could relate to. That really was the New Wave of the underground... but I also love New Wave!
Clean and crispy, brand new "punk" rockers. Yeah, I agree, it's so fake. It's a fashion trend. There is a difference between people who look the part, and people who take the part seriously. What the hell is Blink 182, or My Chemical Romance or Davy Havoc (yeah, what IS that?) anyway!??! It's so silly it makes me cringe, but then I just have to laugh.
I'm one who takes paying my bills seriously, so I fall into neither category... I just LOVE music!!!!!!
Then, he started this thread, so we could talk a bit more about music. I
My introduction to punk music was in my early 20's ('95-'96), but the punks I came to know and love listened to much older stuff.
To me punk will always be defined by bands such as Operation Ivy/Rancid, old AFI (not the new emo glam shit they do now), Black Flag, Fifteen (same time and place as Green Day but their music was heavier), NOFX, Circle Jerks, Big Daddy Meat straw (local band), anyway you probably get my flavor. I definitely believe the Brits did a fantastic job, but haven't had the pleasure of listening to much.
I don't know, I've been sort of disenchanted with "punk" music, since I've gotten older and I've sort of realized what it's like to work for a living. The music is still very important to me, even though I don't always agree with the lyrics I'm shouting along to anymore (maybe I never really did).
I really love Black Flag, Op Ivy, Rancid, those are some bands we have in common. I've always thought Fifteen was more "Emo" (yeah... that term existed back then... and it wasn't about cutting yourself and wearing women's pants... actually, come to think of it, that was 70s glam, and Iggy Pop).
I'm not really into punk rock as much as I'm into other kinds of indie music; basically punk is just a sub-genre for me, and it's part of the mix. I use to take it very seriously when I was a teenager, but then I started to fall behind, because everyone was listening to grind-core. I couldn't get into bands like Econochrist, Failure Face and Brother Inferior... I liked 80s hardcore punk, and of course the mainstream punk bands of the time (like DK, Bad Religion, Descendents, Rancid, Op Ivy, Pennywise... but definitely not NOFX.).
As I said though, I'm into all sorts of indie music, and punk is just a genre in the mix.
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Body Modification...
by bbdodger ini love to login to myspace and see if i can find some ex-jws, or active jws from (my) cong., or ones that i knew from other congs.. i came across a profile of someone i knew, who was in the same congregation.
her name isn't particularly common, and there is a resemblance, so i think it's most likely the girl who i went to kh with.. she says she's "atheist", and has a tattoos on her face, piercings, and her profile is decorated with naked women.
gads!
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I think that bands like MC5, The Ramones, The Stooges, even New York Dolls are American bands that really were the pioneers of Punk music. Weren't the Sex Pistols, after all, the British "answer" to the Ramones. I mean, it's possible (and probable) that there was an underground scene of punk in England well before the Sex Pistols.
There were bands like The Exploited (more political), Crass, (political), GBH, Subhumans, etc. They were against Thatcher, while their American counterparts were against Reagan (such as DK).
Then of course there was the 80s hardcore movement, which had little or nothing to do with the British punk scene. That's my favorite era of punk. Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains, Husker Du (early), Negative Approach. I love OLD pop punk like Descendents, Bad Religion, All, Dag Nasty, Operation Ivy (which has the best lyrics of any punk band, ever). I also love Rancid, which is getting more toward the new, but their attitude and style is so unique, and really pulls from a lot of different genres.I also like the pre-post-punk like Television (so awesome), and the post-pre-post-punk like Mission of Burma, and the post-post-punk like Fugazi.
Johnny Rotten got into the post-punk scene, he had PiL, and of course there was Joy Division, who turned into New Order (after Ian Curtis died), and that was loved and appreciated by Europeans and Americans alike. There were bands that transcended all sorts of subcategories, stuff that everyone could relate to. That really was the New Wave of the underground... but I also love New Wave!
Clean and crispy, brand new "punk" rockers. Yeah, I agree, it's so fake. It's a fashion trend. There is a difference between people who look the part, and people who take the part seriously. What the hell is Blink 182, or My Chemical Romance or Davy Havoc (yeah, what IS that?) anyway!??! It's so silly it makes me cringe, but then I just have to laugh.
I'm one who takes paying my bills seriously, so I fall into neither category... I just LOVE music!!!!!!
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Going to other churches, religion after being a Dub???
by bluesbreaker59 inso, ever since i was a little kid, i always wondered about other faiths.
because i was born and raised a dub, only went inside of two other churches in my life for weddings.
as many of you know, i was just df'd at the beginning of this year.
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oh... and another great thing about being an ex-JW in church is that you can look up all the bible verses so easily! Everyone sitting around you will notice your fingers nimbly flipping to each chapter and verse with the greatest of ease. If they see that you're already familiar with the bible, the chance of them trying to save your poor soul lessens.
I find I get kind of an ego trip by being able to flip around a bible, where a lot of people around me struggle to remember where things are in the bible. I also have amazed my husband by turning to the bible verse that I predict will be the next one the Pastor will mention in the sermon, and then being right when he invites the Cong. to flip to that exact verse!
So... thank you Kingdom Hall!
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Going to other churches, religion after being a Dub???
by bluesbreaker59 inso, ever since i was a little kid, i always wondered about other faiths.
because i was born and raised a dub, only went inside of two other churches in my life for weddings.
as many of you know, i was just df'd at the beginning of this year.
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Hey fellow Iowan.
Methodist, huh? That's the sect of the protestant religions that interests me the most. I have heard some radio sermons, and I love their approach to God and the Bible. For example, the Methodists don't just say "do this, never mind why"... they said "this is why we do this, let's find out why". The love to use the Bible to explain the reason why Christians believe the things they believe, and there is a lot of room for questioning, reflection, and disagreement. It might just a setting that you'd be comfortable in.
I've gone to several churches over the years, and none of them have stuck. If you stumble upon a "seeker" Church (blech), be prepared for a deluge of people to fawn over you and try to make you feel welcome. If you're like me, and can see through that, you'll just find it annoying. They'll want you to go to coffee, join a bible study, sit with them, and there were even times that they wanted to "lay hands upon" me, and pray for me. Ouch. Seeker churches usually have a huge "rock" band, and signs that say "come as you are" and "jeans are fine, bring the kids" etc. That's annoying. I think that a person should look fairly nice in a house of God, put a little effort into it. Some of the seeker churches in my area have coffee shops, gift shops, gyms, book stores, and they're huge buildings worth millions. They have lots of members, and it's all very loud and chaotic.
I must admit, the sermons are hit or miss. I've found that if the band is good, the talker isn't, and vice-versa. However, what really turns me off from seeker churches are the overly anxious do-gooders, who seem to have a heart attack when someone they haven't seen before walks in. It's a little too overwhelming.
If you come to a seeker church with a tattoo, or piercing, or any other fringe society marker, you become the hero of the morning. People constantly come up to you to tell you you're "cool", which is the most annoying thing of all!
Then, of course the bands tries to get everyone up, and there is a big projector that puts the words of the song on a screen in front of the congregation. Some of the songs are (I kid you not) popular pop songs, with lyrics changed to fit a Christian theme!!!
People are raising their hands toward the sky, eyes closed, swaying back and forth. I have never had the desire, nor have I gotten the spirit in me enough to do this. I'm use to praying with my head bowed. It's all very strange, and sometimes seems a little put on (to me). I feel very uncomfortable worshiping in this environment.Then, there are the regular, traditional churches... which I find to be more bible based (they give you time to look up a verse), and more fulfilling because the tone is a lot more serious, and less about getting people in the door. The problem though is that sometimes no one at all will talk to you. I actually like that, as I want to introduce myself, and get my self acclimated at my own pace. I like the tone of these kind of Church services more, they're a bit more like Kingdom Hall, but the preacher is actually taking the information from the actual Bible. What a concept.
My friend goes to a traditional Presbyterian church, and there are only 25 members. It's really small and low key. He's very self-righteous though, and thinks that if he doesn't read his bible and pray several times a day, he's letting God down. He's the kind of guy who contemplates dropping out of college so he can devote more time to prayer. I tell him he's being silly, and God knows his heart. He can quote bible verses to contradict every idea I have to try to make him feel better about it. He'd fit in perfectly in a KH (but he'd kill me if I said that to him :P).
I also like singing the old Hymns... they are much sweeter than the rock songs at the seeker churches. I just don't think rock 'n' roll and church are a very compatible match.I haven't decided to make Church a regular thing, and I don't know why that is. My husband isn't really interested in it, even though we get into good discussions about God. He hasn't made the decision to be a Christian, but once in the bombastic atmosphere of a seeker church, he approached the podium to dedicate himself to Christ. It's a hypnotising thing, these seeker churches, but they're not for everyone. Neither are traditional churches. Sometimes Church isn't a choice at all. That's kind of where I'm at... I don't really feel that strongly about either. I'd like to go to the Methodist service though... but something is keeping me from going. I have a lot of social anxiety, and I don't want to be noticed. But I really want to go!
That's my two cents.
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(repost in right catagory) Crazy Tactics for Getting Rid of Hounding Elders
by bbdodger ini'm really enjoying my time here.
i hope that i'm not stepping on any toes; .
i love reading other people's back stories, especially their adventures of fading out, disassociation, and being disfellowshiped.
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I'm really enjoying my time here. I hope that I'm not stepping on any toes;
I love reading other people's back stories, especially their adventures of fading out, disassociation, and being disfellowshiped. A lot of these stories are quite heart wrenching, but I also thing that some of the stories can be rather humorous, especially trying to dodge the hounds.
Can anyone remember some of the craziest things that they had done to escape? Were there any name changes? Did anyone move across the country in order to avoid conflict? Sex changes??!?!?!