I'd think Paul Johnson might have felt disfellowshipped as well as the directors that Rutherford called the cops to have kicked out of Bethel. Olin Moyle may have felt like he was disfellowshipped.
I think the disfellowshipping started the same day King Rutherford took his throne.
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When did the first disfellowshipping take place modern era?
by Hope4Others inhaving a discussion we think it was in 1950, i tried a few quick searches on different sites to no avail does anyone recall?.
and my w / library goes only to 1960.. .
hope4others.
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The Watchtower Society Shows Their True Colors Again
by TooBad TooSad inin the new may awake magazine there is an article "is philanthropy the answer?
i knew what the answer.
was going to be before i even read it.
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Philanthropy isn't to solve problems or even to help people. Philanthropy's total first party benefit is that the giver feels good. The charity or receiver of the gift is a third party beneficiary. The act of giving is it's own reward.
Devaluing a giver's gift by evaluating the consequences of the gift in the light of existing unmet needs and writing that the gift is insufficient, is offensive to me. The lowest form of journalism, in my opinion, is the malevolent criticism of a giver's gift. That's just designed to devalue the giver. It's not about the gift at all. -
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You wrote: Was that you Gary...............
Hope so:-)
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-30-08 WT Study (God's ways)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the march 30, 2008 wt study (february 15, 2008, pages 7-11) (walk gods ways).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
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Good job Blondie. It sounds like if I pray for two wives I can expect to get them. Of course that would be too confusing to my wife's cat.
Reminds me of a story I heard about guys who went to the Amazon to catch monkeys for export cash sales. They chased em all over heck and didn't have good success until they put peanuts in a glass jar with a narrow neck. The monkeys would reach into the jar and get a hand full of peanuts but they couldn't get their hand back out of the jar unless they dropped the peanuts.
The monkeys wouldn't drop the peanuts and the hunters just had to walk up and drop a bag on the monkey and he was on a boat to North America.
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Dealing with an elder
by kzjw inthiis one's long, but here's a letter i sent in open dialog with the elder of my wife's congregation...let's hear the input... i appreciate your candor, and admittedly i can see an effort to not be overbearing in your response to my questions.
my main concern is trusting the organization.
when i read john 14(the whole chapter because i"m never satified with just a verse), i don't see anything that provides for some "organization" to lead us to the salvation that we all seek in our christian walk.
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The reason it's so hard to measure my successes with the Witnesses is because I don't have any. Ros from channel c fame once said that she didn't believe it's possible to get anybody to quit their religion by showing them that they're wrong. That's been my experience as well.
I've found the best place to hide something from a Witness is in a Watchtower magazine. The local Witness bishop told me he had never read Charles Russell's writings, he didn't know who Paul Johnson was, and he'd never read Rutherford's work. I thought he was the local Witness expert. He couldn't even list the 7 trumpet blasts. He couldn't explain the anti-types, he'd never read the whole Aid book, and he'd never read the "Reasoning" book from cover to cover.
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It's like the old biker joke: What's the difference between a Witness service car and a Hoover vacuum cleaner? The Hoover only holds one dirt bag.
When I was a kid sitting at the endless Witness sponsored meetings I used to imagine what the people there would look like sitting there without their clothes. I decided that Witnesses generally are not very good looking people.
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Who has lost faith?
by logic&reason ini am curious about who (after leaving) went on to other religions vs. lost faith completely.
once i started questioning the wt society, i began to question everything.
as jw's we are taught from childhood up that other religions are false - so it seems easy, after elliminating the last one, to be rid of religion altogether.. .
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I went out with two sisters, Faith and Hope. I lost Faith when she discovered I had Hope.
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If religion was a body, what part would the Watch Tower be?
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Dealing with an elder
by kzjw inthiis one's long, but here's a letter i sent in open dialog with the elder of my wife's congregation...let's hear the input... i appreciate your candor, and admittedly i can see an effort to not be overbearing in your response to my questions.
my main concern is trusting the organization.
when i read john 14(the whole chapter because i"m never satified with just a verse), i don't see anything that provides for some "organization" to lead us to the salvation that we all seek in our christian walk.
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My observations as well as my personal experiences have convinced me that all the Witness adults I know are Witnesses in spite of the teachings rather than because of the teachings. Witnessism is a culture of comfort. It's not intellectual, it's not rational, it's not pragmatic, and it's not reasonable. That's why facts, reason, and logic don't work on Witnesses.
What will work, is a social set back, because that's an element of the culture, and social acceptance is the big reward for being a Witness. Rejection and the fear of rejection is a powerful attraction to defective people with multiple inabilities. I've noticed that people with a social anxiety disorder are very comfortable in the Witnesses because social contact comes to them. In a traditional context, I have to apply myself and go out to seek social contact. I have to exert myself more and go out more to achieve acceptance, and exert even more to achieve approval and recognition. The Witnesses have all that packaged as a benefit, a reward for compliance and for furthering the goals of the Society.
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The Science of Religion-recent Economist Article
by BurnTheShips ini found this one on the gene expression blog.
does religion confer evolutionary advantage?.
http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10875666.
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Dawg, Good posts! I think I might have had some of that repression in my genes. In the Kingdom Hall where I grew up we had a three fingered piano player and a Dutch guy with no voice box from smoking since he was in diapers and he didn't have a top lip from having it blown off during a welcome home party from the army by an exploding cigar.
The only song we could all get together on was "Rejoice!" and the Hollander would sit behind me and sing, but he'd say "Redoith!" and then snort. I didn't dare look at my brother because if I did we'd both start to laugh.