If I wrote a book endorsing genocide, rape, xenophobia, slavery, and child murder, but interspersed a few trite "love is good" sayings throughout, I wonder if I'd be hailed as a divine messenger of love or just a deluded psychopath?
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The Bible - is it really the GOOD Book - if so why?
by cantleave inafterall , it condones murder, genocide, infanticide and a plethora of other nasty things.
it is contradictory and unscientific.. hell; lets be honest it's hard to read and harder to understand.. so why is it called the good book?.
discuss!.
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To My Fellow Atheists...
by Pika_Chu ini present to you:.
quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.
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Pika_Chu, to be fair, people who say they were athiests at the time have had "religious experiences" that converted them.
However, anyone who assumes that such an experience must be caused by an invisible being communicating to them rather than simply a vivid hallucenation or waking dream is not a big fan of Ockham's razor.
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Which type of "Apostate" is worse? An Atheist/Agnostic or one who joins a New Organized Religion?
by QuestioningEverything insorry, i posted this in another section.
meant to put it here.. just wondering which kind is worse to active jw's?
my aunt used to be a jw but now she is a mormon.
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They love to bring up the dog returning to its vomit in reference to anyone who joins another church... I think that joining forces with Babylon the Great is probably worse.
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To My Fellow Atheists...
by Pika_Chu ini present to you:.
quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.
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Interesting website.
"The Christian definition of evil is anything done by one of God's spirit beings (humans or angels) against Him (or His created beings). As such, God is never responsible for evil - only His created spirit beings."
As seen above, religion gives us a way to rationalize ignoring our own moral compass. When "God's" definitions of "good" and "evil" are used, entirely new standards are created for good and bad. Suddenly, rape and genocide may not be evil anymore, but good or even necessary.
As for me, Raptor Jesus is my shepherd, since he went extinct for my sins.
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To My Fellow Atheists...
by Pika_Chu ini present to you:.
quite possibly the worst attempt at apologetics ever.... .
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/nogod.html.
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If "God" is trying to talk to me and I'm just not hearing him, isn't it equally possible that Lur of the planet Omicron Persei 8 is also trying to contact me and I'm just refusing to hear him?
And if I believe either of those things, I'd think a psychological problem is much more likely than either of them being true.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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Ah yes, and the REASON for Adamic sin is particularly delicious... HE WANTED TO THINK FOR HIMSELF. As the Watchtower is so fond of reminding us, INDEPENDENT THINKING is our great foe. The alternative, of course, is DEPENDENT THINKING.
Since we cannot rely on our own imperfect brains to effectively analyze information and come to correct conclusions, we need to take the word of a greater source... which just happens to be written by other men! Because, you know, they don't suffer from your same defective brain condition.
The mysticism of religion always has been and is still just a way for people to control other people by getting them to voluntarily abdicate their responsibility to think.
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What say you Christians ???
by wobble init seems to me that most, if not all christians are really hung up on sin and redemption from sin and how naturally evil we all are.. my question, and observation is this : i had nothing to do with whatever you say adam and eve did wrong, i have always, throughout my life, treated whoever i came into contact with compassion, respect and love.. i have lived by the golden rule.. not many people, hand on heart, can say that, i can.. so, is your god going to judge me for the "sin" of some mythical forebears of mine ?
is he going to say that , because i did not believe in him, i willl be judged adversely, even though i lived by the precepts he is supposed to support ?.
all i can say is, if your god is like that, i refuse to worship or acknowledge him.. and i certainly do not want to get to know him.
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I agree with Lime. The concept of inherent SIN is nothing more than a way to make you you always OWE A DEBT YOU CAN NEVER REPAY, BUT WILL BE PUNISHED FOR NOT MAKING PAYMENTS ON.
Religion has always been a marvelous tool for clever and power-hungry men to control masses of ignorant people, but the introduction of Adamic sin was a brilliant innovation enhancing its effectiveness greatly.
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Sex at 14?
by headisspinning inhello all.... some of you have been following our story from the beginning - and even those of you who haven't should be able to relate to my quandary.... last week my 14 year old son told me he no longer wants to be a jw.
we laboured over telling his jw dad all week.
well, on friday night he finally came clean.. but in a bizarre and unexpected twist, after having sex with his girlfriend for the very first time - in his father's home that very afternoon.
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I think showing them pictures of genital warts should cure them of the desire to have sex for a least a few months. Repeat as necessary.
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Sex at 14?
by headisspinning inhello all.... some of you have been following our story from the beginning - and even those of you who haven't should be able to relate to my quandary.... last week my 14 year old son told me he no longer wants to be a jw.
we laboured over telling his jw dad all week.
well, on friday night he finally came clean.. but in a bizarre and unexpected twist, after having sex with his girlfriend for the very first time - in his father's home that very afternoon.
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There is definitely a link between teen sex and other detrimental behaviors...
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=38544
Of course even if there were no studies on the subject it's intuitive that a lack of self-control is not likely to exhibit itself in only one isolated type of behavior.
Tec, thanks for sharing your experience. Everyone has a unique story and most of them don't fit the norm (whatever that is) perfectly.
For all I know there are lots of 14-year-olds who have sex regularly and keep their grades up, never do drugs, and never experience any adverse complications from their (fully mature and informed ) choice.
Oh, what would I do to stop my child? Sorry I can't tell you specifically, but that would wholly depend on the unique child and the specifics. I can't really postulate exactly how I would now handle a relationship with my hypothetical 14-year-old son, but I do know he'd have 14 years of dealing with me behind him.
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Sex at 14?
by headisspinning inhello all.... some of you have been following our story from the beginning - and even those of you who haven't should be able to relate to my quandary.... last week my 14 year old son told me he no longer wants to be a jw.
we laboured over telling his jw dad all week.
well, on friday night he finally came clean.. but in a bizarre and unexpected twist, after having sex with his girlfriend for the very first time - in his father's home that very afternoon.
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What would I do? Sure, why not as long as I'm here doling out parental advice
I'm not a parent but I have been a teenager (more recently than many here, I'd wager). I think it comes down to overall philosophy re: parents and children. I am friends with a couple that clearly subscribes to a non-interventionist approach with their four and two-year-olds. My observation is that this method is EASIER FOR THE PARENTS. They do not have to bother settling the children down when they're acting up in public, do not have to take them outside, and simply ignore the disapproving stares of the passersby wondering why the parents don't control their little monsters.
This, punctuated by idle threats of countdowns to "time out."
Then, we have the "parent as authority figure" approach in which the children understand that it is not they, but the parents who are the boss. If this concept has not been instilled in the child by the teenage years, then yes, by then it may be too late.
Teenagers who have sex are also more likely to drink, smoke, and do illegal drugs-- basically, sex is only one symptom of an undisciplined child. Don't misunderstand, by undisciplined I don't mean by the parent, I mean a child who is unable to exercise discipline. This lack of discipline will carry over into other facets of his/her life.
"I know I shouldn't be having sex... but it makes me feel good." Extend that reasoning to other teenage issues. Extend it to their adult lives.
So short answer, I would HOPE that my child would be wise enough to not start having sex at such a young age. But if he did I would make clear the need to stop such behavior and the benefits of doing so, and he would have 14 years of discipline and education backing me up on that point.