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  Has the WTS ever made a prediction that came true?

  by Leander in

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  this morning a thought occured to me "has the society ever made a prediction or prophecy that has come true"?.

  most of us are familiar with the prophecies or dates the wts has emphasized in the past.

  of course all of those predictions never proved to be accurate so the question is, "if this is god's prophetic organization where is the proof"?.

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  @Seeker: You have noticed the ;-) at the end of my quote?

  :-)

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  WOL's discussion of NGO and UN

  by outcast in

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  this was cut and pasted, because i don't think the post will last long over at wol.. how would you answer this newbie?.

  http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=6&t=000102.

  torontonian .

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  The UN charter states that the UN has the following four aims:
  * to maintain international peace and security
  * to develop friendly relations among nations
  * to cooperate in solving international problems and in promoting respect for human rights
  * to be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations
  In principle, you no doubt agree with each of these 4 goals. The society does as well, particularly the third, though obviously disagreeing with methods and ultimate solutions. They are well within their right to oppose methods and ultimate goals while stating that they agree with the principles.

  Reminds me of the "Declaration of Facts" of 1933:
  

  A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact
  that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national
  government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our
  publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in
  due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness and who obey the
  Most High. Instead, therefore, of our literature and our work's being a menace
  to the principles of the present government we are the strongest supporters of
  such high ideals. For this reason Satan, the enemy of all men who desire righteousness, has sought to misrepresent our work and prevent us from carrying
  it on in this land.

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  Has the WTS ever made a prediction that came true?

  by Leander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning a thought occured to me "has the society ever made a prediction or prophecy that has come true"?.

  most of us are familiar with the prophecies or dates the wts has emphasized in the past.

  of course all of those predictions never proved to be accurate so the question is, "if this is god's prophetic organization where is the proof"?.

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  "On the final day of the assembly, Brother Knorr delivered the discourse "Peace-Can It Last?" In it he set out powerful evidence from Revelation 17:8 that World War II, which was then raging, would not lead into Armageddon, as some thought, but that the war would end and a period of peace would set in." (Proclaimers, p. 93)

  I think he was quite right on that one. ;-)

  German JW
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  Exercise--Is It For Christians?

  by comment in

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  excerpted from a future issue of the watchtower:.

  in modern times, great emphasis has been laid upon diet and exercise, particularly in western lands.

  people are often impressed by the physiques of athletes and movie stars presented in the media.

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  Christians can be thankful that among God's requirements for them is the work of preaching from house to house, which gives them necessary exercise and fresh air that are so much missed by the modern generation who lead an increasingly sedentary life. By living with wisdom toward the injurious practices of this world the Christian preserves health and strength. Whatever measure of health one has is an asset to draw on for preaching the good news of God's kingdom.-Matt. 10:7, 12; 1 Cor. 6:9, 10.

  Sorry, this is for real: The Watchtower, May 1st, 1963
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  Question for French/German/Italian speakers

  by expatbrit in

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  bonjour.

  si vous parlez francais et avez quelques moments, j'aimerais savoir beaucoup quelque information sur le suivre le site relie, particulierement si n'importe quelle information est disponible en ce qui concerne la societe de tour de montre.

  s'il vous plait repondre dans anglais, comme je ne parle pas francais (j'utilise un programme de traduction).

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  I tried the German link to an Austrian database. It was terribly slow and did not find a match for "Wachtturm", "Watchtower" or "Jehova".

  I tried the "search our site"-option I think that is what you meant.

  Cheers
  German JW
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  UNITED NATIONS , NGO's and WTBS

  by MacHislopp in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  following the link given by kent,.

  i have several observation to make:.

  (from the link : http://www.un.org/moreinfo/ngolink/brochure.htm).

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  The Information is being circulated in the German speaking sector:

  http://www.infolink-net.de/forum.htm
  http://www.geocities.com/wtcleanup/

  On the grapevine I learnt the German Branch is very busy since the information has been published in several discussion groups...
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  2000---the end?

  by miner in

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  i recently heard something about a 1989 prediction that armageddon would be all over by 2000. apparently this was printed in one of the wt's and the wording was changed to something a little less specific in the yearbook.

  can someone help me out with the details on this?

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  Neither the German CD-ROM nor the German Reprints have been changed.
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  Anybody Speak German?

  by El Kabong in

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  wenn is das nunstuck git und slotermeyer?

  ja!.

  ...beiherund das oder die flipperwaldt gersput!.

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  GermanXJW

  This is definetly neither German nor Dutch. I doubt that it's any language at all. Sounds like translated and retranslated with babelfish.
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  Toronto Branch Sizing Down!

  by Kent in

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  the toronto branch is downsizing by 80 people, some of them paralegals.

  this is, according to my source, definite fact.

  they are being sent home.. i have heard that this is an across the board downsizing to take place at all branches around the world, and i've heard of branches other places which is sizing down as well.. maybe others have heard of a downsizing their own land?

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  [quote]Some years ago they booted lots of pioneers, because they didn't want to pay social security to the authorities, [\quote]

  I heard that rumour about special pioneers only on the Internet and don't know anything in detail. But in fact in the beginning of the 1990s there used to be 400 special pioneers in Germany. Today, there are about 200.

  [quote]and as far as I remember, they had to pay some million D-Marks because they didn't pay before.[\quote]

  There was the threat of a law suit. But the Society made a deal with the aithorities. In the brochure "Your Neighbors, Jehovah's Witnesses - Who are they?" published only in Germany in 1995 they state (poor translation mine):

  [quote]Providing for One's Own

  The affectionate care among Jehovah's Witnesses can be
  seen by the way in which they provide for aged fellow believers who have co-operated many years with the organization. In 1 Timothy 5:8 a heavy obligation is imposed upon Christians. Jehovah's Witnesses take this obligation seriously: "Certainly if anyone does not provide for those who are his own, and especially for those who are members of his household, he has disowned the faith and is worse than a person without faith." Members of a religious community, in which many were willing to die in Hitler's concentration camps for their faith do not feel it as an unreasonable demand to provide for their own.

  Persons, who dedicate their whole life to the tasks of the religious community and are economically maintained by it, are called special full-time servants. When someon retires from that special full-time service, he is insured afterwards in accordance with the legal regulations of the old age pension insurance. This regulation has not resulted from a court order, as has been erroneously stated.[\quote]

  There was no court order because the Society made the deal to insure the special pioneers after their leaving special full-time service. Media often refer to a court order because an ex-special-pioneer and ex-JW went to court to get a reference from the Society as his employer. He later claimed in the media that he went there to get an old age pension.

  Your reference to "some million D-Marks" is not from this story but from the 60s when they lost a court suit and had to pay some million DEM of VAT. Interestingly, the Society was told that they would not have to pay VAT if they gained recognition as a corporation of public law. But they replied that they did not apply for that recognition due to religious reasons. Now since 1990 they have been trying to get this very recognition.

  [quote]Also, what's the current status of the Society in Germany. They are now acnowledged as a religious society, I believe - but did they get the tax exemptions as well?[\quote]

  The Watchtower Society has been a registered society ("eingetragener Verein", "e.V.") since 1921 in Germany (keeping in mind that it was banned in the Third Reich from 1933-1945 and in the GDR from 1950-1989). There was not a religious community registered but only the publishing house WTS . A registered has some advantages concerning tax paying and receiving donations.

  Religions can get registered as corporations of public law. These have more advantages concerning taxes and fees and are preferred in buying real estate. They can even influence social life. They can also get a church tax collected by the government. The latter one is always mentioned in connection with the aim of JW but I seriously doubt that they would ever use this right.

  When in the GDR dropped the ban JW were registered there as a religion . After the the German reunification the WTS tried to get this recognition for the whole of Germany together with the recognition with the recognition as a corporation of public law - something that did not exist in the GDR. Now, since 1990 they have been going to court. When a very high court said that JW can't get the recognition
  because they don't vote JW went to the Constitutional Court - and won. But now the judges have to reconsider the case and will keep an eye on the very behavior of JW especially if they harm human rights by their treatment of former members and their children.

  For almost ten years the status of the Religious Community of JW was not clear. Now, last year it was registered as a registerd society like the WTS and the WTS was re-named as "WTS of JW". All JW in Germany have become members of the Religious Community. They were indirectly informed by a circular that mentions the membership marginally. All publishers had to sign the Publisher Card before which is now viewed as a proof of membership by the Religious Community. The number of 192'000 members is officially given unless there are only about 165'000 publishers. Because a corporation of public law has to have a minimum size also inactive members are counted.

  So at the moment, nothing has changed concerning the status. I don't think we will see a new court decision the next few years.

  Hope that helps.

  German JW
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  Toronto Branch Sizing Down!

  by Kent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the toronto branch is downsizing by 80 people, some of them paralegals.

  this is, according to my source, definite fact.

  they are being sent home.. i have heard that this is an across the board downsizing to take place at all branches around the world, and i've heard of branches other places which is sizing down as well.. maybe others have heard of a downsizing their own land?

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  A remember that a year ago or so the German branch invited a Professor in to check efficiency to suggest improvements to work in a more effective way. I don't know if this has resulted in any actions yet.

  German JW