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The Title Jesus Gave Himself: Lord of the Sabbath

by EverAStudent in

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i have been reading and investigating matthew 12:1-8. jesus is accused of breaking the law of the seventh day of rest, the sabbath.

he defends himself and then caps the discussion by declaring himself to be "the lord of the sabbath.

" since only yhwh was ever known as the lord of the sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the sabbath) i can find no other valid meaning for the title jesus gave to himself, except that he is calling himself god.. what meaning does the wts put on this title, since i know they are not willing to allow jesus to call himself yhwh?.

EverAStudent

PSacramento, your assumption is that Jesus believed there were two "Lords" of the Sabbah, He and God. That is unsupportable in the Greek. Jesus said He was the Lord of the Sabbath, singular, not one of two Lords of the Sabbath. In that assertion, He gives no credit to anyone other than Himself as Lord.

Since Jesus was the one who called attention to the fact that the OT demanded that there only ever be one God / one Lord, that makes Jesus a selfish blasphemor, or, it means He was calling Himself YHWH, the one (and only) Lord of the Sabbath.

Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;(Mark 12:29)

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The Title Jesus Gave Himself: Lord of the Sabbath

by EverAStudent in

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i have been reading and investigating matthew 12:1-8. jesus is accused of breaking the law of the seventh day of rest, the sabbath.

he defends himself and then caps the discussion by declaring himself to be "the lord of the sabbath.

" since only yhwh was ever known as the lord of the sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the sabbath) i can find no other valid meaning for the title jesus gave to himself, except that he is calling himself god.. what meaning does the wts put on this title, since i know they are not willing to allow jesus to call himself yhwh?.

EverAStudent

OK, sir82, fair questions. Let's use an analogy. Let's pretend we were back in the days of Napolean and a day to celebrate Napolean's reign was instituted. Let's call it "Emperor's Day." Napolean is late in arriving at the celebration of Emperor's Day in the town square and a guard stops him, stating, "Only those invited may attend the day of celebration to the Emperor." Napolean replies, "I am the emperor of Emperor's Day."

What other meaning can the word "Lord" have when used in the title, "Lord of the Sabbath," if not to say, "I am that same Lord of the Sabbath"?

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The Title Jesus Gave Himself: Lord of the Sabbath

by EverAStudent in

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i have been reading and investigating matthew 12:1-8. jesus is accused of breaking the law of the seventh day of rest, the sabbath.

he defends himself and then caps the discussion by declaring himself to be "the lord of the sabbath.

" since only yhwh was ever known as the lord of the sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the sabbath) i can find no other valid meaning for the title jesus gave to himself, except that he is calling himself god.. what meaning does the wts put on this title, since i know they are not willing to allow jesus to call himself yhwh?.

EverAStudent

sir82, that is a good question. I did not mean that the exact wording was applied to YHWH in the OT, only that YHWH was the only Lord ever to have been said to be over the Sabbath, the creator of the Sabbath, and to whom the Sabbath was dedicated. All of a sudden Jesus is claiming HE is the one who created the Sabbath and that He is the Lord to whom the Sabbath is dedicated.

but the seventh day is a sabbath of the LORD [YHWH] your God ; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. (Exodus 20:10)

then he said to them, "This is what the LORD [YHWH] meant: Tomorrow is a sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the LORD . Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning." (Exodus 16:23)

Moses said, "Eat it today, for today is a sabbath to the LORD [YHWH]; today you will not find it in the field. (Exodus 16:25)

If Jesus did not mean to say that He was that same Lord over the Sabbath then what did He mean by calling Himself the Lord of the Sabbath?

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The Title Jesus Gave Himself: Lord of the Sabbath

by EverAStudent in

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friends

i have been reading and investigating matthew 12:1-8. jesus is accused of breaking the law of the seventh day of rest, the sabbath.

he defends himself and then caps the discussion by declaring himself to be "the lord of the sabbath.

" since only yhwh was ever known as the lord of the sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the sabbath) i can find no other valid meaning for the title jesus gave to himself, except that he is calling himself god.. what meaning does the wts put on this title, since i know they are not willing to allow jesus to call himself yhwh?.

EverAStudent

PSacramento wrote:

AH the sabbath, according to Leviticus ( the law of God) anyone caught working/breaking the sabbath should be killed.
Well, if THAT is the word of God then only GOD can change it, no?
Only God can "break" that Law and NOT die for it, no?

No. Jesus said "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath...it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Matthew 12:10-12 excerpt). So, Jesus said that healing and saving life was not the kind of work that is forbidden on the Sabbath. So no, Jesus did not break the Sabbath and needed no special title to do so. I do not think that is at all what He meant by calling Himself "Lord of the Sabbath."

Is what PSacramento said really the official WTS explanation? If so, did they really expect people to buy it?

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The Title Jesus Gave Himself: Lord of the Sabbath

by EverAStudent in

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i have been reading and investigating matthew 12:1-8. jesus is accused of breaking the law of the seventh day of rest, the sabbath.

he defends himself and then caps the discussion by declaring himself to be "the lord of the sabbath.

" since only yhwh was ever known as the lord of the sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the sabbath) i can find no other valid meaning for the title jesus gave to himself, except that he is calling himself god.. what meaning does the wts put on this title, since i know they are not willing to allow jesus to call himself yhwh?.

EverAStudent

I have been reading and investigating Matthew 12:1-8. Jesus is accused of breaking the Law of the seventh day of rest, the Sabbath. He defends Himself and then caps the discussion by declaring Himself to be "the Lord of the Sabbath." Since only YHWH was ever known as the Lord of the Sabbath (the one who created, owned, and received worship on the Sabbath) I can find no other valid meaning for the title Jesus gave to Himself, except that He is calling Himself God.

What meaning does the WTS put on this title, since I know they are not willing to allow Jesus to call Himself YHWH?

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The definition of "GOD."

by The Berean in

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mine .... simply put, god is the invisible power which decides when things begin and end, who and what recieve which assets and/or liabilities, and how rewards and penalties are metted out according to a judicial system of which humans have no input, appeal, or even full comprehention.. and yours ....

EverAStudent

If God has revealed Himself in the Scriptures, then He is the Creator who loved the creation, died for the created beings who rebelled, and will one day cause the created beings who believe in Him as Creator and Savior to live with Him for an eternity.

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is jesus a god?

by javig in

hi...i have come across the jw text that says that "the word was a god" john 1:1...who is that "god"?

another god?

is him jesus?...

EverAStudent

javig wrote:

to aguest
You seem to know my heart? You seem to know that I don’t belong to Christ? It is you the one that don’t belong to Christ…I can point at your own errors regarding Jesus and the HS. You think they are the same person? You are misreading scriptures and calling Jesus a liar. How they can be the same person when Jesus tell his disciples “another” is coming referring to the HS. Then you have audacity to preach “my lord told me”…yeahh you think I am goint to believe your gospel? Not a bit. And everybody in here knows that you are totally wrong in thinking Jesus and the HS is the same person.
You think your gospel are pearls? What is your gospel? This is your gospel
1) jesus is a god
2) jesus and the HS are the same person
3) I will be a god
4) I am a god incarcerated in a sinful body
5) I preexisted before my earthly existence
6) Jesus die for “little gods” like me and humans
7) We don’t need the whole bible but some parts, not all are inspire
8) There is only two in the Godhead, Father and Jesus
9) Jesus is not the GOD incarnated but a god incarnated
10) Satan is a god
11) Spirits/ bad angels will be destroy
12) Jesus body was re-created
13) Jesus became a god at his birth
14) The father produced a god, jesus
15) Jesus, a god came forth the father
16) My lord told me these things

Javig, if what you have written above is an accurate reflection of aguest's religious beliefs, you have outed him/her as a closet Mormon, whether he/she knows it or not.

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Evolution in Action: Birth of New Species Witnessed by Scientists

by Elsewhere in

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what more do the creationists want?

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/11/speciation-in-action/.

on one of the galapagos islands whose finches shaped the theories of a young charles darwin, biologists have witnessed that elusive moment when a single species splits in two.. in many ways, the split followed predictable patterns, requiring a hybrid newcomer whod already taken baby steps down a new evolutionary path.

EverAStudent

Every creationist is free to develop their own philosophy and religious convictions. I would not try to impose myself as either a spokeman for or authority in the place of any other creationist.

"After its kind" does not necessarily mean a law of immutability between present-day defined "species." The phrase may simply have meant that at the time of creation and at the time of preservation (the phrase is only used through Genesis 7) that trees would still produce seed-bearing fruit, birds would still lay eggs, and cattle would still bear young. In short, it may have been a simple statement of affirmation that life would go on replicating life in spite of the dramatic events of the moment.

It is probably a stretch to think that the phrase means very more than that.

On the other hand, it does imply that the origination of each kind (vegetation, birds, mammals, humanity, etc.) was a rather abrupt and instantaneous act of creation. So, let my ridicule continue...sigh...

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Christmas Tips

by cognac in

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do you tip your mailman, newspaper, oil delivery persons?

if so, what do you normally give?

who else do you tip?

EverAStudent

It is illegal to tip government employees (better to just bribe them outright), so do not tip your mailman.

It is no longer considered the norm to tip national chain delivery persons (e.g. Fed-Ex, UPS, etc.). Mom and pop deliveries can be tipped. Pizza guys must be tipped 1 or 2 dollars (I think it is a law under Obama-care or a mobster thing...).

Trash haulers used to come by the door every year to get tipped...that is no longer true.

Newspaper delivery persons: yup, tip 'em, $5 minimum, cause you don't want to know where your paper will be thrown come December 26 if you don't.

JW soliciters should never be tipped or they just keep coming back, and back, and back...

Warning: tips should always be in paper currency and never in the form of milk and cookies, Santa is very earnest about that...

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Santa Claus

by Joshnaz in

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i was thinking about if i should start telling my 2 year old about santa claus.

after realizing that i've been lied to my whole life from all the jw bullcrap should i lie to my child about santa claus?

do you think its ok to say, "be good or santa wont bring you any toys this christmas.

EverAStudent

actage wrote: "you could always tell the kids, 'If you don't believe in Santa, you get underware'"

LOL -- really funny!

"A growing element of many cultures is the use of Santa within the Christmas celebration. Santa Claus is a fairy tale figure expressly created for the purpose of delighting children and to keep them behaving properly throughout the year. Santa is the virtual personification of generosity who promises children maximum toy benefit in exchange for nothing more than their being good and their undoubting belief in him.
Yet, Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Jesus, a holiday invented by Christians for the purpose of honoring Christ. In what way does the Santa Claus mythology enhance our focus on God and sharpen our love for Christ?
At risk of edging into legalism and being accused of making too much of a petty and trivial element of the Christmas observance, this author postulates that perhaps Santa Claus is used improperly by Christians. Santa Claus, as the all-seeing gift giver, can become the central theme of Christmas to children, can push Christ out of their heart’s mind, and capture the place of adoration and delighted worship during this season.
This author does not deny that the Santa myth is fun. Fun, however, represents only the human perspective on this issue, and not the spiritual or eternal reality." (quoted from http://thefaithfulword.org/santa.html )

This guy goes on to describe the other alternative to getting underware!