Bring on the dancing girls!
You deserve them. Bravo, Englishman!
Ginny
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A Gentle Stir Or Shake 'Em Rigid?
by Englishman injust lately i seem to be encountering the occasional jw partaking of a bevvy or two in my local pub.
so, i was wondering, what would i do if a dub came in for a pint of lunch and then, after noticing me, activated his implanted shun-the-apostate chip?
actually, i know exactly what i would do, i would tell him to eff off and use a different pub.. so it was, that on tuesday night, around about 9.
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Avoiding arguments/hurt feelings on JW.com
by teejay infor exjws (and jws, too), simon's forum is one of the most interesting and potentially beneficial sites on the entire internet since it's a small-scale version of life as it really is.
people from a variety of social, racial and national groups who make up an extended familytied together by a common history of life in the borgcome to share their day to day experiences and openly debate issues old and new.. as different as we are, breakdowns in communication happen and instead of learning something or getting a fresh way of looking at an issue, what should be a reasonable debate turns into an insult-fest.
people, some still hurting from bad experiences as a dub, get hurt even more and bitter feuds result that are felt for a long time.
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GinnyTosken
Some say that, "well... it's up to Hillary to rationally consider the words, in his mind render them powerless, and continue to post."
Some people take some other people's words out of context and misinterpret them.
Hillary_step left. That was Hillary_step's choice. Who and what influenced him to make that decision? Only he can say. Each of us can estimate the share we had in influencing Hillary_step's decision, but only he knows for sure.
Ginny. . .
If I am a conscientious person, I will consider the effects my choices may have on others when I decide what to do. I can only guess at what effect my words and actions will have and must make the best choice I can in each instance.
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I also think it's very important to remember that many of the people who come to this site will likely not have a strong sense of self and may be highly suggestible. We can each conscientiously try to find a balance between caring for our own needs and looking out for the needs of others. Personally, I don't feel that I must return to JW-speak, but I don't jump in a newbie's face with accusations, either.
I am very sorry about what happened to Hillary_step, but I also understand that this discussion board suffers from what MommieDark calls the "bell jar effect." Most of us here were wounded in similar ways. We all come here in various stages of grief--anger, sadness, guilt, remorse, inadequacy, depression. While I feel for the newbie posting his first post, I also try to make allowances for the people who are already here. We're all learning and coping with our own hurt feelings. While I wish we would all react in ways that show understanding, compassion, and maturity, I realize that it is unrealistic to expect this from a bell jar full of hurting people.
I think the best we can hope for is a balance between reactions. I'm glad you [Larc] were there to offer a hand to Hillary_step. I hope that at least one of us in the bell jar will be there with a welcoming word when newbies arrive. From what I've observed, this is usually true.
from "Misdiagnosis" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=19442&site=3
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I Went in Field Service Yesterday!!
by Valentine ini must say i thoroughly enjoyed doing streetwork for the first time in my life!!.
it was really cold here in chicago yesterday,snow clouds looming in the sky.
about 10 am i decided to run home for my cofee break.. as i rushed down the main street,walking quickly,i saw 2 groups of jw's w/ their mags on the main street near home.. i haven't seen any around my territory since last spring.. humph i thought.. i double-timed it home,bundled up,grabbed my stacks of silentlambs posters and ran back to the main street.. i stood on the corner,several feet ahead of them and started saying hi to passers by.
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I can only echo RunningMan and Jan in thanking you for sharing such an upbuilding and happifying experience, Sister Tina.
I am curious about something, though. Since there was no brother with you, did you wear a head covering when you said your prayer before beginning service?
Having a brandy after service sounds a whole lot better than doughnuts.
Ginny
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Why can't we own Canadians?
by closer2fine inlaura schlessinger is a us radio personality who dispenses advice to.
i have tried asking, but most women take offense.. d) lev.
he violates lev.
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GinnyTosken
I've arrived at this thread a bit late.
Perhaps by now you have some sell-by-date Canadians in the bargain bin?
frugal Ginny
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Misdiagnosis
by larc inwell, fine ladies and handsome gentlemen,.
1. someone is called a troll, and, in fact, they are a troll.
that is called a "true positive".
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GinnyTosken
Ranchette,
LOL! It was a lot easier to figure out back when they used rabbits, eh?
Ginny
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Misdiagnosis
by larc inwell, fine ladies and handsome gentlemen,.
1. someone is called a troll, and, in fact, they are a troll.
that is called a "true positive".
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GinnyTosken
Larc,
I understood that you were talking about Hillary_step's initial introduction to the board. I can only repeat what I said before:
If I am a conscientious person, I will consider the effects my choices may have on others when I decide what to do. I can only guess at what effect my words and actions will have and must make the best choice I can in each instance.
[I'm editing this post to add that I also think it's very important to remember that many of the people who come to this site will likely not have a strong sense of self and may be highly suggestible. We can each conscientiously try to find a balance between caring for our own needs and looking out for the needs of others. Personally, I don't feel that I must return to JW-speak, but I don't jump in a newbie's face with accusations, either.]
I am very sorry about what happened to Hillary_step, but I also understand that this discussion board suffers from what MommieDark calls the "bell jar effect." Most of us here were wounded in similar ways. We all come here in various stages of grief--anger, sadness, guilt, remorse, inadequacy, depression. While I feel for the newbie posting his first post, I also try to make allowances for the people who are already here. We're all learning and coping with our own hurt feelings. While I wish we would all react in ways that show understanding, compassion, and maturity, I realize that it is unrealistic to expect this from a bell jar full of hurting people.I think the best we can hope for is a balance between reactions. I'm glad you were there to offer a hand to Hillary_step. I hope that at least one of us in the bell jar will be there with a welcoming word when newbies arrive. From what I've observed, this is usually true.
I'm glad you posted. It helps to be reminded of how a chance encounter can affect someone's life.
Ginny
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Bethelcoachtours.com <- has anyone seen this?
by slipnslidemaster inhttp://www.bethelcoachtours.com/index.htm .
have you guys seen this yet?
oh brother!!.
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GinnyTosken
Slip,
This is too funny! I think we should use this service to arrange an Apost-O-Fest in New York.
Are the trips properly supervised?
Spiritual things and conduct are always a priority, and there is always proper supervision. A talk to this effect is given to all shortly after they board the bus for the first time.
What is the dress code for the trip?
In all instances, at all times, your clothing should be modest and neat. On the trip to and from New York, it is best to dress comfortable. Sweats are excellent because they are comfortable. When touring the Watchtower facilities wear meeting clothes, i.e. dresses or skirts for women and girls, suits and a tie for men and boys. (See the March 1998 Our Kingdom Ministry Question Box on page 7). During our play time touring the sites of New York and Canada casual wear is fine as long as it is neat and clean.
How often do we stop for rest stops or bathroom breaks?
We stop to eat three times a day plus every two to two and a half hours we stop just to take a brake and go to the bathroom or just walk around for a few minutes. Plus, there is a bathroom on the bus, but it is best to use it only for emergencies.
Can I sit by who I want to on the bus?
Everyone will have a assigned seat but during the daylight hours you are welcome to move around and visit with others. You can even change seats for awhile if the other person doesn't mind.
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Misdiagnosis
by larc inwell, fine ladies and handsome gentlemen,.
1. someone is called a troll, and, in fact, they are a troll.
that is called a "true positive".
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GinnyTosken
Under American law, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof rests on whoever makes an accusation. The person who called Hillary_step a troll should be asked for his proof; Hillary_step is not obliged to prove anything.
It's the same whenever one person calls another person a liar. Whoever makes the accusation is under obligation to prove that his claim is true. The person accused is under no obligation.
See http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html
Hillary_step left. That was Hillary_step's choice. Who and what influenced him to make that decision? Only he can say. Each of us can estimate the share we had in influencing Hillary_step's decision, but only he knows for sure.
Words in and of themselves have no power: "Tomme tønner ramler mest." Are those words insulting? Funny? Kind? The power of words comes from the meanings we ascribe to them, the interpretations we form from them, and how much weight we give to the opinion of the person speaking or writing them. An insult from a person for whom I care deeply will usually wound more than an insult from someone I don't know. Even then it will depend on the circumstances. Was my friend upset? Angry about something else and venting at me? Misinformed?
The degree of our influence can also be affected by chance. I may carelessly toss a banana peel. I haven't intended to cause harm. Someone else comes along, slips, and breaks a leg. Every time I get behind the wheel of my car, I take the risk that I may have a wreck and permanently alter the life of someone I don't know.
Sometimes we intend to help and end up causing someone harm. Sometimes we intend to harm and end up helping. Sometimes an act we initially consider to be harmful helps us grow in the end.
See Esmeralda's post, "Disfellowshipping: A protection in the end?"
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=18180&site=3Our beliefs filter our perceptions, and our perceptions affect our interpretations of words and events. Once I stopped believing in the JW dogma, the words of the elders had much less power to harm me. Now I can laugh at their kangaroo courts, yet their words still have power over my family members who believe. Why is that?
It's like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz. We're wearing the ruby slippers all the time and have the power to go home, but we don't realize it. Because of my beliefs, I chose to give the words of the elders power. Once I no longer believed, I took back the power I had given them over me. I cannot hide from the fact that as an adult, I chose to give most of my power away to the Watchtower Society. The contract of beliefs included that as a woman I would subject myself to the authority of elders and men. I chose to do that.
If this example doesn't help, consider the case of Hitler in Germany. Why did the Germans choose to obey Hitler? Why did his words have power over them? Norway was occupied, and so was Denmark, but a majority of people in those countries chose to resist. Sociologists and psychologists are still trying to sort out why the German people succumbed. In Hitler's Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust, Daniel Jonah Goldhagen maintains that the central component was the force of Nazi ideology, particularly antisemitism. He shows that antisemitism was the "common sense" of German society during the Nazi period and long before.
Germans chose to give their power to Hitler because they believed. Most Norwegians and Danes did not believe in Nazi ideology and were not antisemitic. They chose to resist.
If I am a conscientious person, I will consider the effects my choices may have on others when I decide what to do. I can only guess at what effect my words and actions will have and must make the best choice I can in each instance.
Ginny
There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically.
"May be," the farmer replied.
The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful!" the neighbors exclaimed.
"May be," replied the old man.
The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune.
"May be," answered the farmer.
The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.
"May be," said the farmer.
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Okay Fess Up: What's Your Handle Mean?
by Mindchild inokay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
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GinnyTosken
Jan,
I was thinking of how I got the idea that tosk meant "cod."
The stuff I added beyond "fool"--blockhead, idiot--was my mistake, and I can't blame that on the dictionary.
Ginny
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Okay Fess Up: What's Your Handle Mean?
by Mindchild inokay fess up: whats your handle mean?.
my handle: mindchild comes from computer scientist and futurist dr. hans moravec: who wrote the book, the future of robot and human intelligence which is a book about when we will be able to construct machines capable of human intelligence and raises the possibility of uploading ourselves (every thought we ever had) into an android body much superior to the human ones we have now.
i entertain the hope that not only will i live long enough to see this happen, i will transfer myself (the complete essence of what is me) into a body of my own choosing and become immortal if i so choose.
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GinnyTosken
Jan,
In fact, cod is torsk in Norwegian. "Tosk" means "fool" and only that Of course, also Norwegians have been known to confuse the two words.
Well, I'm glad I try not to take myself too seriously. I can't even get my name right.If you're correct, I must also plead a lousy Norwegian dictionary.
from the Norwegian English Dictionary by Einar Haugen.
As for the rest, I guess I was thinking of toskehode.tosk 1. dial. cod.
2. fool for en tosk hun hadde vært what a fool she had been (Skram).Ginny Toskehodet