Posts by DT

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

DT

I think the AAWA Facebook group is doing more harm than good. I don't think there is any justification for a group with that name where people can be added aginst their will. There are too many risks, even if it is "secret". I partially blame Facebook, but they probably aren't going to change.

I know Facebook might be part of the AAWA strategy, but I think they would be better off cutting their losses. They are losing too much credibility. They need to do something quickly if they are still going to have a hope of being effective.

I thought the debate over the name was kind of silly, but this is far more serious. Damage has been done and the potential for more harm is still present. If they can set up a new group that insures that only those who request to be added are added, then great. If not, they would probably be better off without it.

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Problems with the "Bogus AWAA Fan Page"..

by OUTLAW in

good afternoon jwn... .

i`ve spent the morning and part of my afternoon... getting to the bottom of... why names were added to the awaa fan page... it`s a dangerous thing to happen in our world... faders can be outed,we can lose,family,friends... the results can be an absolute disaster... .

aawa "did not" create the facebook awaa fan page.

DT

It sounds like this "secret" group has over a thousand members and every one of those members can see who is in the group, even though some were added without their knowledge. This is still an unacceptable risk. If it can't be fixed, then it should be shut down and started fresh. I assume you can start a secret group that has to manually approve new members. That may be the only way to avoid this problem.

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How many light bulbs does it take to change a Jehovah's Witness?

by DT in

jw
friends

just one, all you have to do is turn it on and he will instantly adjust to the new light..

DT

Just one, all you have to do is turn it on and he will instantly adjust to the new light.

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Will AAWA Become another cult?

by His Excellency in

please sorry for english, i have only been learning for 18 months.

everyone please think about it, and beware of any initiative designed to solve "a community problem".

becasue russel also started his own cult on a similar premise like this , claiming to have all the answers to issues whose solutions seems obscured to the majority in his days, and here we are today, constantly bashing our fingers on the keyboard in a bid to finding comfort from the mess he had put all of us into.

DT

I think any organization has the potential to develop cult like characteristics.

I don't think the danger is very high for the AAWA, but it is worth discussing and it pays to be cautious. I think that the AAWA has already taken some positive steps like being unwilling to advocate a particular religion or philosophy.

I think part of the danger comes from the XJW community itself. There has been considerable support for the goals of the AAWA, but a lot of disappointment with some minor details like the name. I think there has been a tendency to look at the AAWA as a kind of champion of the XJW community that will engage in some kind of epic battle with the Watchtower Society that XJW's as a whole can support.

I don't think that is a reasonable expectation. I can't speak for the AAWA, but I would be surprised if they viewed themselves that way. They are an organization that was formed by a specific group of people for a specific purpose. I think their name describes their purpose (as I understand it) almost perfectly. I'm glad that they haven't succumbed to public pressure to change their name and focus to something that might receive broader support while possibly diluting its effectiveness.

I think we would be wise to view the AAWA as simply a tool. It fills a need. It's name clearly defines what it is about and it will hopefully be a useful contact for journalists. It is may also provide some much needed organization for activities that raise awareness.

It also fails to fill certain needs that many XJW's have. I suggest that some of those needs would be better served in ways that don't involve looking to an organization.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

DT

I think it is incredibly valuable for any journalist who is writing a story about the Watchtower Society to be able to consult and quote an organization that is obviously opposed to the methods of the Watchtower Society. We haven't had that until now and that has probably prevented certain news stories from getting the attention they deserve.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

DT

"I'm a firm believer that once a decision is voted on, we stick to it."

I think that is one of the things that can make this group effective. I have seen all sorts of great ideas on this board fail to get any traction because of bickering and disagreements about how to proceed. A small group can be far more effective in getting things started. Then others can choose to help if they wish.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

DT

There sure has been a lot of debate about the name. I think that is a sign that it is effective.

I think there is a need for a vocal anti Watchtower group as well as a need for other groups that are more moderate. Instead of asking if it's the right name for the group, maybe we should ask if it's the right group for the name. I think we have a winning combination. The group is willing to take a powerful stand, but it's clear that they are against the ruling structure, not the religion or the people.

If someone wants a different name, there isn't anything to stop them from forming a different group. In fact, the name of this group suggests that they are willing to coordinate their efforts with other groups and organizations.

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AAWA is here!! (The Association of Anti-Watchtower Activists)

by cedars in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcic4g5tulw.

http://www.jwactivists.org.

facebook the association of anti-watchtower activists.

DT

I think the name is good. It is a little bit provocative and may capture the attention of the media in situations where a more subdued name would just be ignored.

I think it may require some explaining, but it is better to have to explain the goals of the association than to have it overlooked.

I definitely the Watchtower Corporation is evil enough to deserve an anti group.

I do think the name could be a liability for some forms of activism, but this association doesn't have to tackle everything. There is plenty of room for other groups to form with slightly different goals that could adopt more friendly names.

Although I also like Stonewall's suggestion of "Association Against Watchtower Abuse".

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