Lady Lee,
What is your site's url?
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15New Website, Watchtower Search
by DT ini just started a new website.
http://sites.google.com/site/watchtowersearch.
it centers around a customized search engine for doing research on jehovah's witnesses.
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New Website, Watchtower Search
by DT ini just started a new website.
http://sites.google.com/site/watchtowersearch.
it centers around a customized search engine for doing research on jehovah's witnesses.
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DT
I just started a new website. http://sites.google.com/site/watchtowersearch
It centers around a customized search engine for doing research on Jehovah's Witnesses. It searches over a hundred websites, discussion boards (including this one), blogs, quotes sites, wikipedia articles and You Tube channels. It avoids the official Watchtower websites, sites by apologists and sites by fundamentalists who would rather debate the trinity than help Jehovah's Witnesses leave a controlling environment.
It's a good way to quickly find obscure material that is hard to find otherwise. Searches for things like vaccinations, 1975, and the United Nations quickly brings up a lot of relevant topics. I assembled this to make my own research easier and hope it will be helpful to others.
There are also small sections for feeds, videos, files and links. Please let me know what you think or if you have any ideas for improvements.
I'm also working on a community blog about Jehovah's Witnesses http://jehovahswitnessesblog.blogspot.com/ Please PM me if you have any interest in becoming a contributor.
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IS THIS WATCHTOWER PARAGRAPH GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT?
by badboy inwt march 1 2009 page 3. the ancient babylonians,for example, believed that human affairs are influenced by the stars and their movements.. should `are' be `were'?.
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Isn't is crazy? It seems that spelling and grammar are the only subjects that the Watchtower Society has mastered. Of course, they have a lot of cheap labor. They can review an article a hundred times if they want to, just as long as the information isn't questioned. Has anybody run across any grammatical or spelling errors in the Watchtower literature?
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IS THIS WATCHTOWER PARAGRAPH GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT?
by badboy inwt march 1 2009 page 3. the ancient babylonians,for example, believed that human affairs are influenced by the stars and their movements.. should `are' be `were'?.
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I believe it's correct. The Watchtower Society is lousy with numbers and math, but it tends to do pretty well with grammer.
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Germany, Octogenerian enters KH with Machine Gun
by skeeter1 inpensioner enters jehovah's witness church with machine gunpublished: 31 jul 09 09:13 cet.
an 82-year-old man who entered a meeting of jehovahs witnesses armed with a submachine gun, three magazines, a samurai sword and a knife has been arrested, bielefeld police reported on friday.. some 81 members of the church were gathered in their kingdom hall on dunlopstrae in the citys sennestadt district when a congregation member noticed the masked elderly man enter the vestibule waving the machine gun around 8:45 pm on thursday.. .
the witness quietly informed the congregation and directed them to escape the building via emergency exit, a police statement said.. .
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"But before he could leave the scene, two of the congregation members overcame the man from behind."
I'm surprised that the elders had time to call the Society's legal department to ask for directions. Isn't that what they are supposed to do whenever anyone poses a serious danger to the congregation's safety?
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6000 / 7000- Numbers Without a Scripture
by OnTheWayOut infreddy franz working as the main writer/oracle under the knorr administration, came up with these very magic numbers.
he said that mankind would be 6000 years old in 1975, despite all scientific evidence to the contrary.
more importantly- somehow, he made people believe that 6000 was a magical number, necessitating the destruction of more than 99% of mankind that year even without a single scripture in his new bible (which he wrote).. oh, you may say there's scriptures that say 1000 years is as a day to god, but we aren't talking about a day or 1000 years.
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Freddy Franz was a bit of a copycat. His idea of the end coming after 6000 years of human existence has been around for a long time. This is from the Epistle of Barnabas 15:1-5, an apocryphal book.
"Moreover concerning the Sabbath likewise it is written in the Ten Words, in which He spake to Moses face to face on Mount Sinai; And ye shall hallow the Sabbath of the Lord with pure hands and with a pure heart. And in another place He saith; If my sons observe the Sabbath then I will bestow My mercy upon them. Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it. Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day."
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Does freedom of religion include...
by DT inthe right to not disclose your religious preferences to those who would discriminate against you or use this information to violate your civil rights?
i think so, but this results in a confusing situation for jehovah's witnesses.
in theory, jehovah's witnesses have the right to change their religion without fear of punishment.
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the right to not disclose your religious preferences to those who would discriminate against you or use this information to violate your civil rights? I think so, but this results in a confusing situation for Jehovah's Witnesses. In theory, Jehovah's Witnesses have the right to change their religion without fear of punishment. The leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses claim the right to punish those who leave. The courts are reluctant to get involved. What if there was a way to change your religion without notifying the Watchtower Society? It seems to make sense that if you leave a religion, you should tell them. However, that may be an assumption that is worth questioning. Of course, you can just fade, but that is unsatisfying to many people. It also leaves you open to future harassment by the elders. Suppose someone resigns from the Jehovah's Witness religion this way. He prepares a document. It includes these facts. The person was baptised as a minor. He asserts that this makes the baptism invalid in terms of implying any sort of agreement or relationship with an organisation. He was baptised before the change in questions, therefore the baptism is between him and God alone and doesn't involve any third party. He asserts that a change in the ritual of baptism since then cannot insert a third party into any implied agreement where it was originally absent. He also asserts that his baptism was a personal expression of his freedom of religion and any attempt by someone to change the terms after the fact is a violation of his freedom of religion. He points out that Watchtower rules about disassociation by involvement in politics imply that the current members of the governing body have disassociated themselves by their actions on the basis of their willing participation in the United Nations as an NGO. Therefore, they are neither legitimate members nor rulers of the Jehovah's Witness religion. He points out that there are two major factions within the Jehovah's Witness religion, those who follow and agree with the governing body and those who do not. The evidence from the Internet indicates that the group who disagrees is very large, but the brutal policies of the governing body prevents them from speaking openly if they wish to maintain their freedom to maintain normal relations with family and friends. He claims that he was never officially a member of the Jehovah's Witness religion because his baptism never established that relationship. He also maintains that he does not wish be called a member of the Jehovah's Witness religion and does not consider himself as such. However, he claims to be a witness of Jehovah in the Biblical sense and points out that this designation precedes the establishment of the Jehovah's Witness religion. He asserts his right to view himself this way and indicates that it would be slanderous for someone to deny this. He intends to have a group of friends sign as witnesses to the document and have it notarized. He asserts that this should be valid since the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses has no legitimate leadership and he has an absolute right to resign or establish his nonmembership in a religion. He also points out that he has a right to only notify those who he wants to know of his religious preferences. He asserts the right to not inform members of the faction that control most of the physical resources of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Doing so would result in discrimination and a violation of his right to make this decision without coercion. He concludes by saying that if any court finds this document invalid because he didn't inform the faction of Jehovah's Witnesses that he considers illegitimate, then this would be an unconstitutional interference with freedom of religion and a favoring of one religious faction over another. This might make him feel good. He exercised his freedom to resign without conferring legitimacy on the governing body. However, it might not seem that this is much different than a fade. If he is found out he will probably be disfellowshipped or viewed as disassociated. It's tricky though, because a religion is not allowed to punish former members or nonmembers. (I believe this has been well established in cases involving the Mormon church.) In practice Jehovah's Witnesses punish former members by shunning them, but this is considered to be part of the process of separation. What if someone has a document from two years ago that proves he isn't a member of that religion. Could the Watchtower Society impose this sanction after such a long gap? If they announce he is no longer a Jehovah's Witness, couldn't this be slander because it implies he once was a member of the Jehovah's Witness religion and it implies that he is not a witness of Jehovah when he claims the religious right to view himself this way, a designation that precedes the Watchtower Society? It also raises the question of whether a faction within a religion can punish someone who didn't identify himself with that faction years after he leaves the religion. In any case, it raises some interesting moral and legal questions if he decides to sue. At the very least it could be used to intimidate the elders to just leave him alone. What do you think?
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The governing body have disassociated themselves by their actions...
by DT in...a new governing body needs to be elected.
i know this sounds like a joke, but i'm serious.. i'm sure you're thinking that would be nice, but it will never happen.
i believe it can and will happen.
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bttt
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AllTimeJeff: When you get a moment, Your take on this would be appreciated.
by palmtree67 inthis is one of the first major incidents that made me start questioning.. our hall had 5 elders and 2 ms's.
we also had various other brothers, all doing fine.
some of the brothers who didn't have priveledges did magazines, literature, etc.. one day, the elders decided the brothers were not reaching out enough.
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I used to go to a small congregation with few brothers. I was kept very busy doing sound, mics, etc. in addition to the many parts I had. After I moved, I visited and observed that sisters were doing most of my former assignments. At first I was surprised, but then I started to wonder why I worked so hard when there were sisters who could help.
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The governing body have disassociated themselves by their actions...
by DT in...a new governing body needs to be elected.
i know this sounds like a joke, but i'm serious.. i'm sure you're thinking that would be nice, but it will never happen.
i believe it can and will happen.
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Bluecanary,
Thank you, I'm enjoying the thread.
This thread isn't getting many comments. Perhaps I should better explain my reasoning. The governing body has no real power. They get away with things because of mind control. Many Witnesses just accept what they say. The ones who aren't fooled are kept in line by pressure from those who are. The governing body has power only because they say they do and a lot of people don't object. It's a neat trick, but it can be easily repeated by the millions who disagree with them, especially now that we have the Internet. If a new governing body is elected, it might not seem legitimate, but it is no less legitimate than the one that is in New York. It might make people think.
Now may be a good time to do this because of the focus on a mass exodus in August. The headquarters also appears to be trying to distance themselves from the local congregations. This effort will be compromised if they try speak out against their members' right to elect a new governing body. They also appear to be planning on making more information and resources available online, perhaps with a goal of reducing costs. Critics of the governing body already have a large network of online resources and can beat them at their own game.