... I am hearing conflicting stories on ex mormon sites. This may be a spoof, it may not. Anyone have a TV guide that can confirm or deny this? (march 9-15)
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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday
by FormerMormon inhttp://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).
damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.
the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.
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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday
by FormerMormon inhttp://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).
damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.
the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.
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http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from TV Guide)
Damn... I gotta get HBO.
I wonder which version they'll do. The throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. They can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode. It's too long and BORING. Hopefully they'll just do the juicy parts and give you guys a feel for what it's like inside the temple.
From what I have read, Tom Hanks was never Mormon. However, his dad was briefly married to a mormon who took Tom to church while he was 6-7 years old. Divorce prevented his being baptized.
I know hanks is LIVID over LDS involvement in the California Prop 8 thing. This season, they have really taken the gloves off.
May Zeus give you his fondest blessings, Tom.
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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?
by FormerMormon inno, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.
excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.
is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.
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"I've always told my husband that my "dream man" would be a combination of three men: Alan Jackson for his good looks; David Letterman for his wit; and Norm Abrams for his carpentry skills. But with my luck, I'd end up with a man who had Alan Jackson's wits, Letterman's skills, and Norm Abarms' looks!
StAnn"
I love it.
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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?
by FormerMormon inno, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.
excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.
is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.
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Sorry... polyandrous= a woman with several/many men
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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?
by FormerMormon inno, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.
excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.
is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.
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No, I'm not looking for recruits.
Now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:
Excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse. Is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?
I'm thinking... I could share Jennifer Connelly, if I had to.
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Questions for FormerMormon
by rebel8 inyou accumulate additional wives through attrition or serial monogamy.
i didn't want to threadjack, so i started a separate thread.. do you get all the previous wives back in the afterlife?.
i recently read you get your own family in the afterlife, to share with your 4+ wives and spirit children.
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These days yes, it was just symbolic. Back in horny Joes day, the "Council of Fifty" took it a lot more serious. Brigham and his teachings on "blood atonement" also took it literally.
Fortunately the descendents of these bastards (mormon aristocracy) appear to be less ruthless and better business managers than their forebears.
In case you are interested, blood atonement as taught by Young implied that there were some sins so bad that it required the spilling(death) of the sinners blood. He even taught that if you really loved the church's enemies, you could help them gain forgiveness by spilling their blood for them as an act of love. How nice.
No kidding.
I love my parents, but you can't choose your ancestors.
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Questions for FormerMormon
by rebel8 inyou accumulate additional wives through attrition or serial monogamy.
i didn't want to threadjack, so i started a separate thread.. do you get all the previous wives back in the afterlife?.
i recently read you get your own family in the afterlife, to share with your 4+ wives and spirit children.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WhTN_-S5KM&feature=related
I wish they didn't add the cartoon blood. Otherwise this demo is accurate. The producer of this film, Ed Decker, does go way over ther top and does misrepresent Mormonism on other topics, but this particular demo is accurate. Ed Decker only has a standing with his Evangelical friends he pimps for. I don't know of anyone in the postmo world who respects him. It was the only clip I could find at the moment.
There was a similar demonstrated penalty involving splitting your belly open. Understand that the Temple ceremony is long and boring.
Remember, these blood oaths were taken out- removed from the temple ceremony in 1990. They were done to impress upon our minds the seriousness of the oaths we were making in the temple and the absolute necessity for keeping what happens in the temple, in the temple.
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Questions for FormerMormon
by rebel8 inyou accumulate additional wives through attrition or serial monogamy.
i didn't want to threadjack, so i started a separate thread.. do you get all the previous wives back in the afterlife?.
i recently read you get your own family in the afterlife, to share with your 4+ wives and spirit children.
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Yes there really is magic underwear (bottoms and tops). If it doesn't work, if it doesn't save your ass from fire, or bullets or whatever, well you just didn't have enough faith. You weren't worthy enough. Maybe you masterbated too much as a teen(or later). Maybe it wasn't god's will.
The throat slitting, intestine spilling oaths inside the temple are true too. They eliminated these violent oaths in 1990. I was endowed in 1985. It freaked me out, but I was told by everyone else what a profoundly spiritual experience it was. I wondered- maybe I didn't have enough faith. Maybe that's why all the violent oaths were so disturbing to me.
The temple is too "sacred" to talk about. So in a generation, mormons will deny that such a thing was ever done in their holy temples. It is inconceivable. My wife was endowed after the changes in 1996. She didn't want to believe it. She's freaked out by it now.
If they come around AND you feel comfortable doing so, invite them in. There is all kinds of fun to be had:
#1 The internet has been harsh for JW's and Mormons. Ask them if they have ever heard what Joseph Smith said about the copper Kinderhook plates from Illinois. Ask them about the rediscovered Abraham papyrus controversy. Ask them about Zina Jacobs and her HUSBANDS. Ask if they are able to use the internet for research (they can briefly for email). People/investigators are a click away from shocking Mormon history. If they cant use the internet and haven't been told about these issues, how are they supposed to help investigators if they don't even know the issues?
#2 The BOM(Book of Mormon) is supposed to be a 1000 year history of god's dealings with ancient american hebrews. Christ came to these people. They had more truths, more gospel than we do. Jeebus gave the Nephites higher knowledge that was written up and sealed within Josephs mystical magic gold plates. (mention the 2/3rds of the golden plates that were sealed and are to be translated and revealed when we as a people are more worthy.)
Anyway, if the Nephites and Lamanites (competing hebrew factions) had so much gospel knowledge, please show me where the bom talks about the word of wisdom (coffee, tobacco, alcohol). Where does it mention our existence as spirits in the pre earth life? Where does it mention eternal marriage or baptisms for the dead or temple work.
The bom doesn't mention any of that because these MAJOR LDS themes hadn't been created in Joseph's Myths head yet. At best, they can point out a "scripture" that references god's plan existing before the foundations of this world.
So much for the bom having the "fullness of the gospel" if it doesn't even mention these MAJOR LDS themes. If they say that it DOES have the fullness of the gospel, then just say "then we really don't need the word of wisdom, or baptism for the dead, or temple marriage or pre earth life knowledge, or knowledge of the three degrees of heaven in order to be good with god, Right???
Here's some other fun:
#3 Pretend you are just so very interested in geneology like the mormons. Have a great great grandparents name and birthdate in mind (and hopefully region or state of birth) Have them take you to the church geneology website to "look up my family". (familysearch.org) Ooh and aah at it if they find some of your geneology on line. Then key in another name:
Joseph Smith
Born 1805 in Vermont
Look for a son of a bitch born dec 23
Click on the son of a bitch and scroll through all the names of his wives.
"Oh my, was he married to all these ladies?", you ask.
Click on Helen Mar Kimball
"Oh my, she was only 14???"
Click on Zina Huntington
"Oh my, she was already married to Henry. Can women concurrently marry two men in your church?"
Click on
Mary Rollins or
Sylvia Sessions or
Prescendia Huntington
(they were ALL already and concurrently married).
The vast majority of his wives died as faithful members of the church. Many spoke openly of the sexual nature of their concurrent marriage to their first husband and Joseph. Some wondered who the father of their child was. Others like Sylvia Sessions knew from the start that her daughter JOSEPHINA was joes kid and not from her husband Windsor.
Zina's is a really freaky story. Henry marries her first, then Joe. Joe gets his ass shot. Brigham Marries zina when the Nauvoo temple was completed with HENRY watching the whole ceremony. Many speculate Henry thought the marriage would be as things were before. Joe was willing to share other mens wives. Brigham Young wasn't willing to share. Brigham preplanned, pre meditated and pre married Zina. He then sent Henry on a foreign mission and took Zina while he was gone. Henry didn't find out till he came back from England. He yearned for Zina all his days. And Zina, she got a rare rotation amongst Brighams 50+ wives.
Zina and her Sister Prescendia were the only "already marrieds" who were required to leave their first husbands and marry "apostles" after joe died.
I could go on...
Feel free to discuss here or PM me. You can also email me at [email protected].
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For the Peter Schiff fans
by BurnTheShips inthe prescient stock broker, and austrian school econ guru that called this current economics crisis well ahead of time.
i remember him in 2004/2005 like a voice in the wilderness.. http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/02/netroots_promot.php#013623.
web-savvy libertarians in california have launched a nationwide movement to draft a new haven-born celebrity pundit to take on connecticut u.s. sen. chris dodd.
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Peter Schiff... A better prophet than Mormons ever produced.
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Questions for FormerMormon
by rebel8 inyou accumulate additional wives through attrition or serial monogamy.
i didn't want to threadjack, so i started a separate thread.. do you get all the previous wives back in the afterlife?.
i recently read you get your own family in the afterlife, to share with your 4+ wives and spirit children.
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Attrition=death
Yes, many women are pissed that they are sealed to an ex husband and married to another one. A man does npt have to get his ex's permission to get sealed to another woman. A woman DOES need to get her sealing cancelled before she can be sealed to another. It's interesting that in the weeding ceremony, the woman GIVES herself to the man and the man then accepts her. It CLEARLY insinuates who belongs to whom.
Brigham did teach that women could trade up. I know it was practiced when he took Zina from Henry. Beyond that, I don't think this particular jewel of mormon history was taught or practiced much beyond this.
No, it's not upsetting to discuss. It's healing. Kinda like the healing my wife and I get from watching Big Love. It's also healing to have outsiders like EX JW folks say how strange LDS doctrine is. For years, I was under the impression that most people loved and respected Mormons (they just can't live up to our standards). When I left, I realized everyone else recognizes LDS doctrine for the FREAK show that it is.
Did any of you EXJWers feel the same way? You may have thought people respected you, then you find out on the outside that everyone thinks your church is a freak show?