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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

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http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

BTW, during baptisms, they always separated when girls or boys were being baptized. (DAMN). We would occasionally hear stories of one of the girls who forgot to bring some sort of girl clothing (bra??) to wear under the baptismal clothing. Sometimes things could get perky. They didn't want us boys to see that. Apparently it wasn't a problem for the officiating penishood holders though.

Washings and annointings was another freakish ceremony (also since changed). I got naked and put a poncho on. My sides were completely exposed. They would take water then oil and while praying, wash and then anoint different parts of the body. When I say "wash" what happened is I was dabbed with a finger tip of water. My experience was that I was NEVER touched on the privates. Other postmo's have reported that they were touched on their privates. Enough have reported this that I don't doubt that it happened to some, fortunately not to me.

Women, strangely, do this ordinance on each other, even though they don't have the penishood. No I have not heard of any orgies, nor consummations in the mainstream LDS temples.

Historical records indicate that early washings and annointings involved a tub and was much more thorough, ahem.

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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

Sacolton,

I did baptisms probably 5 or six times. Some in the Oakland Temple, some in the Washington DC Temple. There is a font of water supported by 12 oxen. You go in with a penishood, er priesthood holder. They have someone else who handles the names and serves as a witness. The baptisor says something to the effect "FormerMormon, having been commisioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you for and in behalf of Joe Blow, who is dead. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. " He dunks the person. Raises them up and the process begins with the next name on the list. Kids (12-19) are usually enlisted to be the proxy person getting dunked.. a way to get them into the temple thing I guess. Kids usually cycle through 20-25 names or so per session. After this, they get dried off. Another two penishood holders put their hands on you head and vicariously give the dead a blessing, giving them the gift of the Holy Ghost, giving them membership in the church. I could never figure out why a dead disembodied spirit would need the gift of the Holy Ghost? A spirit inhabiting another spirit??? Is this needed in the hereafter???

What's interesting to note is the LDS church REPEATEDLY keeps losing geneology records. My mom had to resubmit our geneology on three occasions. It's not an uncommon experience. I guess they have to cycle the records... if the church members ever suspect that the dead have had their work done, and there is no more need to go to the temple, it would impact their tithing receipts (there is a strong correlation of tithe payers to temple goers).

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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

drwtsn

The LDS temple ceremony has undergone a number of changes through the years. In the 1920's they removed parts of the temple ceremony. (They were having people covenant to kill any of Joe's murderers on the spot.) This was documented during the Smoot hearings in Congress (Congress wanted to investigate Elected Senator Smoot to determine where his loyalties were (church vs state)). Not very timely considering Joe got his a$$ blown of in 1844 and you wouldn't think too many of his murderers would still be around in the 1920's.

In 1985, I got my endowments and went through the temple. There were blood oaths whereby we would swear to keep the sign and tokens secret/sacred - to not reveal them outside the Temple-- rather than do so we would suffer our lives to be taken. Then we would do the handgestures signifying slitting our own throats and later(for a different sign and token) spilling our intestines. Very disturbing stuff.

They removed these blood oaths in 1990. My wife was endowed in 96'. At first, she didn't want to hear me mention such things. She didn't want to believe "the Temple" had such disgusting oaths in it. Now she is a full fledged apostate. I'm proud of her.

BTW The latest I have seen on the DAMU (disaffected mormon underground), it looks like this is real. Several people have said they have verified they have seen the TV guide in question. The episode is on March 15th, not this Sunday. Sorry.

Many are wondering why Barb has a blue apron (it should be green). We wonder why that was done. I don't know why the LDS could claim privacy or ownership of a ritual they ripped of the Masons.

Undercover... Tom Hanks was a very vocal opponent of Prop 8. The LDS were strong supporters of it. Hanks had harsh words against the LDS lately. From what I have heard, he is pissed. Fundy FLDS or LDS... or JW...who cares. If this can help expose the stupidity of cults, great. makes for great entertainment.

It's strange. In my believing days(daze). I would cringe everytime someone "revealed" mormon secrets/temple stuff etc. After several years of knowing the Morg is bullsh!t, a small part of me still cringes when I see the secrets exposed. A much bigger part of me now screams

GO TOM!!

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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

This link says that Episode 309 "Outer Darkness" has roles cast for Temple workers.

http://deadwoodstage.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=otherspoilers&action=display&thread=395&page=2

Please please please be true. Do it Tom!!!

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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

... I am hearing conflicting stories on ex mormon sites. This may be a spoof, it may not. Anyone have a TV guide that can confirm or deny this? (march 9-15)

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Big Love does the Mormon Temple ceremony this Sunday

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from tv guide).

damn... i gotta get hbo.. i wonder which version they'll do.

the throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. they can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode.

FormerMormon

http://www.salamandersociety.com/temple/ (shows a pic from TV Guide)

Damn... I gotta get HBO.

I wonder which version they'll do. The throat and intestine spilling oaths or the more sanitized ones they have been using since 1990. They can't show the whole endowment ceremony in one episode. It's too long and BORING. Hopefully they'll just do the juicy parts and give you guys a feel for what it's like inside the temple.

From what I have read, Tom Hanks was never Mormon. However, his dad was briefly married to a mormon who took Tom to church while he was 6-7 years old. Divorce prevented his being baptized.

I know hanks is LIVID over LDS involvement in the California Prop 8 thing. This season, they have really taken the gloves off.

May Zeus give you his fondest blessings, Tom.

FormerMormon

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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?

by FormerMormon in

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friends

no, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.

excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.

is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.

FormerMormon

"I've always told my husband that my "dream man" would be a combination of three men: Alan Jackson for his good looks; David Letterman for his wit; and Norm Abrams for his carpentry skills. But with my luck, I'd end up with a man who had Alan Jackson's wits, Letterman's skills, and Norm Abarms' looks!

StAnn"

I love it.

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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

no, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.

excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.

is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.

FormerMormon

Sorry... polyandrous= a woman with several/many men

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Is there someone you would go "Polygamist" or "Polyandrous" for?

by FormerMormon in

jw
friends

no, i'm not looking for recruits.. now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:.

excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse.

is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?.

FormerMormon

No, I'm not looking for recruits.

Now that we are out of our respective cults, and are able able to think outside the box:

Excluding traditional religious association with polygamy, with all its abuse. Is there someone you like so much, that in order to have them, you'd be willing to share them?

I'm thinking... I could share Jennifer Connelly, if I had to.

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Questions for FormerMormon

by rebel8 in

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you accumulate additional wives through attrition or serial monogamy.

i didn't want to threadjack, so i started a separate thread.. do you get all the previous wives back in the afterlife?.

i recently read you get your own family in the afterlife, to share with your 4+ wives and spirit children.

FormerMormon

These days yes, it was just symbolic. Back in horny Joes day, the "Council of Fifty" took it a lot more serious. Brigham and his teachings on "blood atonement" also took it literally.

Fortunately the descendents of these bastards (mormon aristocracy) appear to be less ruthless and better business managers than their forebears.

In case you are interested, blood atonement as taught by Young implied that there were some sins so bad that it required the spilling(death) of the sinners blood. He even taught that if you really loved the church's enemies, you could help them gain forgiveness by spilling their blood for them as an act of love. How nice.

No kidding.

I love my parents, but you can't choose your ancestors.