jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
Chalam,
So, to revert to the actual subject under discussion, do humans have free will, or, is their life pre ordained ?
Leave the school physics and other unrelated side issues aside for religious fanatics to argue about. Once God and faith are removed from the arguement, only free will remains.
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
Chalam,
Before you began the misdirection through the introduction of side issues, the issue was clear, either we humans have choices (free will) or we have no real choices (predestination).
You seem to have a leg each side of the line with your opinion.
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
If I knew what was in store for me at work on most days of the week, I would not leave my bed or the house. How does that fit in with the predestination / free will theorists ?
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
If predestination IS a tenet of Christianity, then why is there an obsession amongst various Christian beliefs who are constantly on the lookout for signs of the end, Christs presence etc ? End result - If it is preordained, then it will happen.
If predestination is NOT a tenet of Christian belief, then why is there an obsession amongst various Christian beliefs who are constantly on the look out for signs of the end, Christs presence etc ? End result - If it is not preordained, why look for a sign that it is happening (following a prophecy - preordination) ?
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
The promises of Paul to the Romans, actually made or suggested and possibly believed (?) by the Romans have been a long time comming. They are as Monty Python would say, " Dead as a parrot", both the promises and the Romans.
It does not matter what you do or what you believe, it is what HAPPENS that counts.
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
Predestination = everything is the fault of some one or something else.
Free will = everything is the fault of the individual.
If you believe that "Adam and Eve" had free will, then, predestination is a falacy.
If you believe that the life of "Adam and Eve" was predestined, then, the apparent choice they were offered, was not, in fact, a choice.
jw teach that your life is not predestined.
predestination means the path of your life(death) is suppose to be determined at birth right?
its kind of a confusing subject.
A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT.
I AM going to DIE!
I WILL live to the age of 70 years plus, if I am lucky and physically and mentally strong.
I WILL die before the age of 70 years if my health and lifestyle combine to rob me of a few precious years with my family and friends.
I WILL live to 90 or 100 years of age if I am very, very, very UNLUCKY. Most of my friends and acquaintances will be dead by then and I will not those persons that know and care for me.
GOOGLE : Chris Woods and his song which is described as a modern spritual / gospel / atheisist anthem - "Come Down Jehovah"
i've just posted it on another thread but thought many other would see it if i dedicate a thread to it.
it is brutally honest and sincere, something you don't hear often lately.
definitely one of the best i've ever heard.
Zagor,
Thanks for the tiny 'love bomb' and your welcome.
I am not opposed to anything only those who oppose everything by generalisation. I include Mr. Dawkins in the latter grouping. His basic theory is that he is right in expounding his own alternative theories and all those who dissagree with his theory or support other equally unsupported theories are wrong. His need to make his arguements heard do not include free dispersal of his theories and beliefs.
All soap box preachers need the compensatory comfort of our Sterling, Dollars and Euro before they are willing to let the rest of us ignorant fools obtain the wisdom of their words by puchasing their literature and seeing for ourselves the folly of their and our own actions.
Evolution has failed to weed out mind sets such as his and who or what can one blame now ?
thinking out loud - my belief is that jw follows a false gospel.
that they got it wrong.
now, how to 'prove' that to a family member who is still jw?.
There is no need to supply proof that a lie is untrue, it is a basic courtesy to substantiate the truth of what you say.
i've just posted it on another thread but thought many other would see it if i dedicate a thread to it.
it is brutally honest and sincere, something you don't hear often lately.
definitely one of the best i've ever heard.
Zagor.
That is all that mankind needs, " a fundamental athiest " !
