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  Where do they sit in your hall?

  by ns7 in

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  what i find bemusing is, if there are any disfellowshipped ones in your hall they have to sit at the back.

  now without getting into the merits/rights/wrongs of whether this should be still acceptable, where do they sit in your hall?

  you see i seem to remember that they would sit on the back row, come in quietly just after the song and prayer and leave at the end just as quick.

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  JI, per your story at the shop.

  There was this sister in a KH I used to be. She had four kids. She was DF. Don't know the story. She'll get them nicely dressed and drag them to the hall; they'll all take the row before the last. Didn't know she was DF yet, but noticed she was ever so quiet and the kids behaved quite well too. So after the meeting one night, I walked up to the kids and started chatting with them - didn't talk to the sister yet; she had this stern look that said to steer clear... Was chatting with the kids and playing with them. Nice kids. Then a brother touched me, pulled me aside, then said "look, the mother is DF". I said so what?? Only playing with the kids. He said, well, y'know, it'll be like you're showing allegiance to the mother who is DF! Really, I thought he was nuts. And you see her husband isn't a JW. Imagine how hard it'll be on her. To get ignored and have same happen to the innocent children. And even Jehovah has most probably forgiven her.
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  Hang-ups about sex

  by jelly in

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  i have not really thought this out yet but i was thinking after reading another post.

  what exactly did jesus say about sex?.

  the only things i can remember about jesus was that he revealed his messiahship to a woment that had multiple husbans (lovers), for married men to not lust after other women, and in his linage was a former prostitute.. .

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  Kent,
  Jesus got 'layed'? You're sure kidding.

  Jesus was gentle while speaking about sexuality. He had compassion on the prostitute woman, alluding to our frail nature by asking the hypocrites to cast the first stone shot if they were innocent. He sure knew what everyone else knew that they've all been doing sth :)
  Paul's writings were most probably influenced by the practices of his day, which he considered crass. But even Paul showed some leniency when he said to reabsorb the man whose been doing things with his father's wife(?). Truth is, the Christian scriptures do not treat sexual sins the hypocritical way we do. 'We'. Sex, or sexual behaviour seems to be the ultimate sin.

  God was the first to allude to it. ...be fruitful, and become many...HOW?
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  re: Rerefinement

  by battman in

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  last nite it was announced, a letter read, that the .

  use of the term "christian congregation" would now.

  be used instead of "watchtower".

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  Gozz

  Contrary to the announcement made last year, current issues of The Watchtower have carried the info:

  M.H. Larson, President;

  Why was Don Adams dumped for the Presidency?
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  Fresh Watchtower *LIE* revealed ;-(

  by Focus in

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  first the 1880 teaching:-.

  "the seventh trumpet .. reaches to 1914.. christ entered upon the official work of king in 1878.. but what becomes of the idea of those who now oppose us in these things, that christ does not come into possession of his crown, until after this day of wrath?

  will they not be compelled to admit for consistency's sake that the harvest and the treading of the winepress must be located away beyond 1914?

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  Focus, Good. And thanks.
  I saw this at http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
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  1973 "Truly it is 'intellectually dishonest' not to want any opposing views heard on such a disputed matter. It has to make reasonable persons ask, Why?" {AWAK Oct 22 1973 7}
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  So why is Gozz being haunted and trailed, a suspect of using the Net to obtain info about unofficial history. They said to read Proclaimers for all I want.
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  To StiLLinTruth

  by LoneWolf in

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  this is only the second post that i've made on this board, so i hope that by posting this a second time, that i'm not violating some rule that i'm unaware of.

  if i am, then i apologize to all.. however, this answer to stillintruth is on the fourth page of his last post, and i want to make sure he and as many others as possible can see it.. you will note that i sign my real name to the bottom of this.

  that is meant as an open challenge to any and/or all to do something about it.

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  Wendy,
  because JWs in good standing have the best morals on earth. All other ones, especially apostates, are subzero per morals. No JW in good standing will do anything bad. They become DF once that starts to happen. The worst JW is better than the best non-JW. This is paradise.
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  Seek Jehovah or His Organisation?

  by ozziepost in

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  today's watchtower study (feb 15, p17) seeks to reassure jws that jehovah will take action against all opposers to the wtbts.. it states: "unscrupulous men slander jehovah's witnesses, branding them a 'dangerous cult'.

  god is aware of their actions-and these will not go unpunished.

  "(para 11).

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  Francoise,
  it is remarkable, and commendable, that your challenge is to the Governing Body.

  Ozzie,
  your comments per thr study articles on Zephaniah are home here. Those articles are very disturbing.
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  There is NO religion that could make me......

  by LDH in

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  i spoke with my sister last night back in ny about this whole jw thing.

  (she is da'd).

  we were discussing my pregnancy and the fact that my mom hasn't even bothered to say anything except for the fact that since i'm 'inactive with doubts' the baby would die at armegeddon anyway.

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  Gozz

  Whenever the reaction to DF/DA's are being discussed, WT literature has always used the reasoning that were the situation to be in Israel of old, the defaulters would have been promptly executed, so that there would be no opportunity for friends and relatives to associate with them. There seem to be a consistent amnesia about the law of the Christ. There is a clear cut difference between Law and Love. No, anyone abandoning his/her child for the sake of a religion attempts to truncate reason, and prevent the exercise of free will, a basic gift to all thinking things.
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  Who's to blame?

  by ozziepost in

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  when viv mouritz , former branch coordinator in australia, addressed the special meeting of sydney and surrounding area congregations at the superdome last weekend, he blamed the young witnesses who were leaving "the truth" for the drop in numbers in australia.. at the service meeting this week in one sydney congregation it was announced by a bethel elder that the elders have been told (as if they didn't know already!

  ) that 2,000 have left "the truth" in the past two years in australia.

  this typical congregation of 120 publishers has lost 19 inactive since 1999.. the march 2001 issue of kingdom ministry (australian edition) gives the number of publishers for december as 58,426, pioneers 3,315 and 19 baptized.. in dec '98 there were 58,706 pubs,and in dec '99 there were 58,000.. with 1,600-1,800 being baptized each year, there is indeeed a 2,000 shortfall.. so, who's to blame?

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  Dannybear,
  sure you meant some 0.1%. That's the locust numerical strength worsted by 5/6th of your previous figure.
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  Big Ray on Disfellowshipped Members

  by truth_hurts in

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  from: big ray.

  date: mon apr 17, 2000 8:44am.

  subject: re: inactive publishers who post.

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  Prisca,

  the morbid fear the JW community has for the Internet is real. I see the Internet/Apostate site rule going the way of rules of the sort: they could be bent to gain a little advantage. That is what is called Tact, or Strategy. I'm wondering how many of us are thinking the same thoughts and slowly killing ourselves by keeping them within.
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  Big Ray on Disfellowshipped Members

  by truth_hurts in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from: big ray.

  date: mon apr 17, 2000 8:44am.

  subject: re: inactive publishers who post.

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  Gozz

  Besides, this "good standing" thing. Is it with the Organization or with Jehovah? Which is more importatnt and what are the determinants? Since when have human began judging hearts.

  " ... for not the way man looks is the way God looks..."
  - God, to Samuel.