continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
I see what your saying, Simon, but am not sure I totally agree with it.
My sister, for example. It would kill her to shun me but she'd do it because she really feels that she's doing the hardest thing for her and me, to do what's in my best interests. To her, it would be a sacrifice she's making, and an extremely painful one at that, to do what she believes is in MY best interests.
Can I really find any fault with her???
so my wife and i were curious so i researched some financial links and found records indicating that the wt society has been operating at a loss since the year 2012. as you read the links it shows a loss of 10 million $$$ in 2012, about 16 million $$$ in 2013, and a whopping loss of 56 million $$$ in 2014 - where the expenditures exceeded the revenues for each of those years in the amount i've mentioned.
also there is a link on this same website with the sec records indicating that the wt society and it's representatives funneled 40 million $$$$ into hedge funds in the cayman islands as early as 2007. if you look online on other sites you can see evidence that indicates the wt society attended hedge fund conferences to look into more shadiness in 2011 and isn't it curious that by 2012 the wt society started showing losses.
anyway here is the link : https://www.watchtowerlies.com/the_watchtower_revenue.html .. feel free to check this link out and other links on that link indicating the cayman island connection.
"The 2015 yearbook states that $224 million was spent on special pioneers, missionaries and travelling overseas and that there are 24,711 working at branch offices worldwide. It was $200 million in 2013 and $184 million in 2012."
I'd think getting rid of Special Pioneers and Missionaries would be an easy way to cut back without it affecting most of the r&f...
continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
I think part of it might be the attitude of the shunner. There's always partial responsibility, but, degrees vary depending on their approach.
For example, if my younger sister ever had to shun me, it would absolutely break her heart. She would be tormented by it and for me, there would be nothing to forgive if she ever figured out ttatt.
My younger brother, on the other hand, actively shuns me even though I've just faded. So much so that I can't even meet his newborn. Not as easy to forgive...
continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.
so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.
if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.
"people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.
Notice I said "some" responsibility, not "complete""
I completely agree. There are people I've mourned as if they had died, because of the shunning. If they ever came around, I'm not so sure I'd want a relationship with them. Not only do they have some responsibility, but, there are consequences to choices made that might never be able to be undone...
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
Actually, scratch that. The whole thing with Ceders was the biggest debate, or maybe, argument on here. I think somebody got outted on FaceBook because of it. It was a WARZONE on here...
The Trevor thing was apparently a huge thing on here also. Apparently, he faked an illness and had people sending money to him or something. But, that was right before my time here but the board was still really pissed off/sensitive because of it...
who won, and why?.
the rebel..
Whether or not me and Hypnosis were real people. I believe that was on the first thread I posted.
We both wound up meeting with coffee_black to prove we weren't the same people, lol.
I look back on it now as so silly, but, it felt pretty serious at the time because of the whole Trevor situation. Anybody remember that???
here is an idea i tested.
works at both assemblies and conventions.
i have noticed at the last convention and at my last assembly that when i opened up my wifi setting, tons of hotspots came up for people tethering their tablets to their smart phones.
I know how to setup a hotspot, I just don't know how to direct others to open to www.jwfacts.com when they've accessed my hotspot.
I googled, "hotspot landing page". Looks like you might need software to do it but will read up on it more and let you all know what I find out.
here is an idea i tested.
works at both assemblies and conventions.
i have noticed at the last convention and at my last assembly that when i opened up my wifi setting, tons of hotspots came up for people tethering their tablets to their smart phones.
"If you set your network to open, you should check to see what the devices are that are connected to it, force people to use an email address and their name to use. Absolutely nothing would be preventing them from not using their real email address and name, but still. And make the default home page they get once they put in an email address jwfacts."
How do you do this???
here is an idea i tested.
works at both assemblies and conventions.
i have noticed at the last convention and at my last assembly that when i opened up my wifi setting, tons of hotspots came up for people tethering their tablets to their smart phones.
I'll do it, "Any other apostates here"?
See if anyone renames their hotspot to answer.
background information.
i myself am in full fade mode with an overly active jw wife, who refuses to discuss any point whatsoever.
a friend who is not a jw nor has ever been a jw; he studied for a few months, then realized what an evil cult it is and stopped.
Bttt = Back to the top
Its to bump your thread.
