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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
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  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  StarTrek - I disagree, because at that point there would be no literature going out, the congregations would be sold or on the market, there would be no governing body anymore... I'd think it would be like herding cats... Maybe in some specific areas with the die-hards. But, before they go bankrupt they'd probably cut the missionaries and Special Pioneers and sell off a bunch of real estate, which will cause at issues with at least some of the die-hards and r&f before they even get to the point of bankruptcy.

  However, there's a lot of other people who have said the same thing you just did...

  Valid point, I guess time will tell...
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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
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  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  I really think they are moving funds & assets around from one "charity" corp to another, so the corporations that might be held liable in future lawsuits will be officially "

  Don't believe they can just legally hide assets within other corporations. They definitely wouldn't get away with that in the child abuse cases...

  
  

  Everything is ultimately tide to the parent company...

  
  

  
  
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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  cognac

  I think there's at least another 175 mil per year they can cut back on. I.e., letting missionaries and SP's go.

  There's probably another 500 mil in real estate they can sell before they r&f start noticing there's a major problem going on.
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  What would you do if the Society Declares Bankruptcy

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  special pioneers let go.

  bethel workers laid off.

  construction halts, what's next?

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  cognac

  Would would I do?

  Come on here and make fun of them, lol.

  All joking aside, I'd try to support those leaving as much as possible.
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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  Thanks Nic. Wow, that's vomit worthy...
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  Money woes show it ain't the truth

  by OnTheWayOut in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jehovahs people do not beg for money.

  [...] we have never considered it proper to solicit money for the lords cause, after the common custom .

  it is our judgment that money raised by the various begging devices in the name of our lord is offensive, unacceptable to him, and does not bring his blessing either upon the givers or the work accomplished.

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  cognac

  Ever since they took all the money from all the congregations, all the members have been hearing is how they have to cough up more.

  Come again???? When did this happen? I must've missed this. How did they do that???

  
  

  
  
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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  cognac

  "Look at that mother who fronted at one of the conventions in the US earlier this year (now on youtube) who declared to the audience she had told her children, "I love you and would give my life for you. But if you leave Jehovah, I won't be there.""

  
  

  Steve2 - Do you have the link to that?
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  WT Society SEC Records : Hedge Funds, Cayman Islands, Financial Losses - Links

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so my wife and i were curious so i researched some financial links and found records indicating that the wt society has been operating at a loss since the year 2012. as you read the links it shows a loss of 10 million $$$ in 2012, about 16 million $$$ in 2013, and a whopping loss of 56 million $$$ in 2014 - where the expenditures exceeded the revenues for each of those years in the amount i've mentioned.

  also there is a link on this same website with the sec records indicating that the wt society and it's representatives funneled 40 million $$$$ into hedge funds in the cayman islands as early as 2007. if you look online on other sites you can see evidence that indicates the wt society attended hedge fund conferences to look into more shadiness in 2011 and isn't it curious that by 2012 the wt society started showing losses.

  anyway here is the link : https://www.watchtowerlies.com/the_watchtower_revenue.html .. feel free to check this link out and other links on that link indicating the cayman island connection.

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  "Gilead was re-purposed about 5 years ago. It no longer trains missionaries. Its "graduates" are usually sent back to their country of origin to shore up "weak" congregations."

  Do they still get an allowance from the society?
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  WT Society SEC Records : Hedge Funds, Cayman Islands, Financial Losses - Links

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so my wife and i were curious so i researched some financial links and found records indicating that the wt society has been operating at a loss since the year 2012. as you read the links it shows a loss of 10 million $$$ in 2012, about 16 million $$$ in 2013, and a whopping loss of 56 million $$$ in 2014 - where the expenditures exceeded the revenues for each of those years in the amount i've mentioned.

  also there is a link on this same website with the sec records indicating that the wt society and it's representatives funneled 40 million $$$$ into hedge funds in the cayman islands as early as 2007. if you look online on other sites you can see evidence that indicates the wt society attended hedge fund conferences to look into more shadiness in 2011 and isn't it curious that by 2012 the wt society started showing losses.

  anyway here is the link : https://www.watchtowerlies.com/the_watchtower_revenue.html .. feel free to check this link out and other links on that link indicating the cayman island connection.

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  cognac

  Don't they still have the missionary school? What is it, Gilead?

  Which means even though they are cutting back on Special Pioneers/Missionaries, they are still continuously adding more back in...

  Dumb...
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  Doing the Right Thing, Making a Choice (shunning)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  continuing a topic that is dear to my heart because of my experience as both a shunner and a shunnee .... some people seem to get very agitated when i talk about the responsibility people have to make the right choices and that despite all the wrongs within the wts, people themselves have a role to play and some personal responsibility for the experience.. notice i said "some" responsibility, not "complete" - this doesn't absolve the wts for the things they do wrong in any way shape or form.

  so please don't get argumentative about possible meanings and absolutes - of course the wts has a significant role to play but we need to decide what we're trying to achieve here and why the personal choice is so important.. i'm also not talking about actual crimes that the wts should answer for.

  if they cover up child abuse for instance, they absolutely should be reported immediately.

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  cognac

  Pbrow - I'm faded. I did that for a long time, kept talking to my family. But, it just got too painful and I got more and more detached. Finally, I had to let go so I could focus on my own family.